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Now remember, that is surfaced speed not submerged speed because you two are claiming that the 30 knot track was a sub. The Permit class was widely reputed to be the fastest attack subs ever built by the U.S. with submerged speeds well in excess of 35 knots. The Los Angeles are supposed to do over 30 knots submerged as well. But surfaced? That is another matter. You will note that your cut and paste on the Permit mentions a much lower surfaced speed than submerged. That is because the subs are designed for underwater performance not surfaced performance. You show me something that gives a surfaced speed of 30 knots for any U.S. or British boat and we'll talk.

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You will note that your cut and paste on the Permit mentions a much lower surfaced speed than submerged.

You best check your eyeballs, bub...The Seawolf specs do not give a surfaced speed. And, since you mentioned it, yes-- the Seawolf's top speed submerged, though classified, is well in excess of 35 knots. Question is: how much is well in excess? 4?... 5?... 7?... Heck!...10 knots? And how much hydrodynamic drag is present on a surfaced Seawolf class submarine? Hows-about a semi-submerged vessel with just the sail creating the drag?

Unless you can provide something other than your questionable personal expertise refuting my comparisons vis a vis USS Trepang, a Sturgeon class submarine, and Seawolf (SSN-21) first of the Seawolf class submarine, neither of which is of the Thresher/Permit class, long since discarded (which preceeded the Sturgeon class [see footnote]). I leave it to the unbiased readers without an agenda to review my previous post (as I suggest you do) and decide as to whether I have made my point or not.

By the way, cut and paste supported by URLs are an accepted method of presentation on FreeRepublic. Deal with it.

Have a nice day...

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Footnote: From http://www.warships1.com/ships-US/USssn593_Thresher.htm

Re: Thresher/Permit Class...

Originally named Thresher class, this was changed after the first of the class Thresher was lost while doing test deep dives in Apr./63. These boats had an improved tear drop shape and established the basic design for all later submarines.

...They have all been discarded.