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I apologize if I hurt your feelings. Isn't this a site for debate. You sound like you are a friend of Elmer. He implied that he were a patriot because he had friends who died in combat. BFD. Who doesn't? Many of the things which you claim as non existent do truly exist. There are many things coming out of places like the Lockheed's Skunk Works which would amaze even me. Even though the Loughead Bros could not get along together, their creations have done much. One brother stayed in California and created wonders while the other went to the midwest and was not heard from other than creating aircraft that no one wanted. You may feel strongly about your position but are self delusioned. Maybe you should only lurk and not get upset unless you have an agenda which is going poorly.

Oh don't worry about my feelings, I'm pretty thick-skinned. You have to be to survive around here. You seem to be the one getting all defensive. And as for being self-delusioned who better than you would know about that?