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Energy Bill Saved For Next Year (Daschle stalls ANWR)
news.yahoo.com ^ | 11/27/01 | H. JOSEF HEBERT

Posted on 11/27/2001 9:15:06 AM PST by finnman69

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To: good herb
Can you name any alternative energy sources which the Democrats have actually developed and which actually make a difference? Do you credit the Democrats for the thousands of people who are dead, maimed or injured because of the CAFE standards making cars smaller and more dangerous to their occupants in collisions?
41 posted on 11/27/2001 1:17:01 PM PST by AmericanVictory
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To: good herb
A clean environment is good business. How can we have a clean environment in the U.S.? We have the money! If companies don't have the money to comply, and government imposes stiff penalties, they go out of business. Strict laws don't mean diddly squat if there is no way to pay for compliance! I have traveled world-wide. Most countries are filthy dirty. Why? They lack the resources to clean up the mess!
42 posted on 11/27/2001 1:40:18 PM PST by wjcsux
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To: good herb
'clean burning coal.'

Actually, this can be done. There is plenty of coal for a long time. DOE has done a lot of excellent research already on this, pilot plants and processes. I am not a fan of DOE, but they have done this.

44 posted on 11/27/2001 1:49:14 PM PST by RightWhale
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To: good herb
Seat belt regulation isn't a part of CAFE, it maybe a result of CAFE though.

Distortions of regulations. Oil prices skyrocketed in 1973. Govt response: Price controls + CAFE standards to reduce dependence on foreign oil, conserve energy. We would have been better off if we would have just let prices rise, would have forced conservation, fuel efficiency, etc. without the regulations. Higher oil prices would have been more effective than regulations.

Secondary effect of CAFE: smaller cars, more traffic fatalities.

CAFE standards have NOT reduced oil consumption over time. Reason: regulations are distortionary, like taxes, BECAUSE THEY CAN BE AVOIDED.

1. As a result of CAFE, new large cars are more expensive since companies produced fewer. People with old large cars who wanted a large car, would keep their cars longer, drive them longer, use more gas, pollute more.

2. More small cars were produced, prices were cheaper, resulting in more cars being purchased, increasing the total number of cars. More smaller cars led to more gas consumption, not less.

3. Car companies shifted to SUVs (classified as trucks, not cars) as a way to circumvent CAFE, resulting in more, larger fuel-inefficient vehicles, MORE gas consumption, not LESS.

I think it was Jefferson who said that Government was the worst way to do anything. I have to concur with his wisdom.

46 posted on 11/27/2001 2:20:31 PM PST by PeaceBeWithYou
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To: finnman69
I think that the Federal government should just sell bits and pieces of ANWR to the highest bidder, until its all sold. Same with all of the lands the feds own in the west.
47 posted on 11/27/2001 2:35:49 PM PST by Frohickey
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To: finnman69
Daschle stalls ANWR

Throw this traitor in jail for treason, then go after the voters in South Dakota who keep voting for him and then throw them in jail, too. Then kick the Repubican butts for being such push-overs.

48 posted on 11/27/2001 3:31:20 PM PST by swampfox98
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To: deport
Thanks for the bump,deport.I sure am sorry to hear about it.I caught a little bit of the senate on C-Span late this afternoon.I turned it on just as Sen.Murkowski(sp?)was finishing up his talk.He seemed rather upset.He ended up by saying something to the effect that he was going to do all that he could to get the package to the floor of the senate.He then appealed to Daschle to let it go through THIS WEEK after Dashcle's energy plan.Anybody see Sen.Murkowski's remarks on C-Span? Need confirmation of his remarks.Thanks.I hope the Teamsters and the AFL-CIO get on Daschle's case!
49 posted on 11/27/2001 3:44:43 PM PST by Lady In Blue
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To: finnman69
Daschle=traitor

Bush has conducted himself great except for one area. He needs to stomp on the dems for blocking this. It would take 2 square miles of drilling to equal 30 years of Saudi (terrorist appeasers) oil.

If the American people knew this (were expalined the circumtstances) they would hate Daschle and the rest of the rats.

The "new tone" strategy has got to go.

50 posted on 11/27/2001 3:53:33 PM PST by liberalism=failure
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To: finnman69
Daschle has said that other pressing matters such as economic recovery, national security in light of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks and remaining government spending bills, leave no time to deal with energy this year.

Sounds like Gov. "Brownout" Davis in California about a year ago.

Funny (strange not "ha-ha") that Daschle doesn't feel domestic oil production and national security don't go hand-in-hand.

51 posted on 11/27/2001 3:58:57 PM PST by hattend
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To: Kennard
Can an EO alter statute law?

Ask the people of Utah.

52 posted on 11/27/2001 4:03:30 PM PST by hattend
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To: Kennard
Can an EO alter statute law?

Apparently it can. It seems to require a vote to overide an EO,
just like it takes to overide a veto.

53 posted on 11/27/2001 4:33:49 PM PST by itsahoot
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To: finnman69
The little twerp just gave the GOP a campaign issue in 2002.

These people are so out to lunch that they may actually think they are helping, rather than hurting themselves.

54 posted on 11/27/2001 4:58:27 PM PST by Rome2000
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To: Texbob
Screw Daschle, I hope ND runs out of gasoline and heating oil to see it they are smart enought to blame Daschle.

I hope South Dakota does.

55 posted on 11/27/2001 7:21:12 PM PST by afuturegovernor
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To: good herb
That fatalities have increased due to the lesser ability of the smaller vehicles to take impact has now not only been documented thoroughly but has been admitted by the DOT. But continue to stick your head in the sand. The seat belt question is irrelevant and we will not respond.

Why is it that with you totalitarians conservation is equated with centralized command government control. Repeatedly the EPA the DOE and other government agencies have sabotaged or diverted attention from, rather then promoted, enabled or enhanced, new technology that would conserve energy but would in the process lessent the role of centralized command government. As a general rule the federal government in particular has shown no interest in conservation that does not equate to centralized command governmental control. They count heavily on those totalitarian thinkers such as yourself who also equate the two.

56 posted on 11/27/2001 7:34:31 PM PST by AmericanVictory
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To: finnman69
Dashhill wants SD citizens to pay more for fuel.. He hates america and SD...
57 posted on 11/28/2001 4:47:09 AM PST by mbb bill
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