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To: Cowgirl

Certainly, the other predictions such as an increase in earthquakes, diseases, violence has happened. Jack Van Impe also pointed out that terrorism would be one of the last signs (as in the days of Noah there was violence throughout the land).

There has been NO increase in earthquakes WHATSOEVER...in the last 20 years, in the last 10 years, in the last 5 years. And, incidentally, this year there has been a below average number of large (Magnitude 7+) earthquakes so far.

And if there's an increase in disease why do world overall average life expectancies keep going UP?

The world has been pretty darn violent for the last 6,000 years. I fail to see any increase in violence per population at all.

I don't get how (some) Christians just blatantly lie to support their own little religious hobby-horses. I mean, the claims about increases in earthquakes are easily checkable and it's not a matter of debate...anyone claiming earthquakes have increased is an obvious liar....not that the author of the post is...probably just naively accepting whatever apocalyptic end-times nuts are telling her.

20 posted on 11/27/2001 7:25:29 AM PST by John H K
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To: John H K
Maybe I can help you out here, the scriptures do not say that there will be an increase in earthquakes, although some claim that there has been, it says "there will be earthquakes in diverse places", which implies a mass media coverage of earthquakes. If an earthquakes happens in Honduras we know about it an hour later, this was not possible during Christ's time.

Life expectancy has dropped for men in Russia to 58 years old. You cannot compare the world average only to the USofA. We have the medical community screaming as loudly about coming plagues, as the terrorists experts did about attacks, they just are not here yet, and are being as equally ignored by everyone as terrorism was pre 9-11.

Yes the world has always been a violent place, but the capacity for destruction today is certainly far more than guys waving swords at each other in the past. Take this scripture for instance. Zec. 14:12, "And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that fought against Jerusalem; their flesh shall consume away on their bodies while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongues shall consume away in their mouths", sound nuclear or nutron to you?

I hope you don't just keep casting this away out of hand before you invest some real study into the subject.

54 posted on 11/27/2001 9:14:37 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: John H K
Earthquakes on the rise?? This page represents a summary of 6.0 earthquakes and above. The numbers of major quakes seems to be increasing and also appears to be cyclical. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://pages.prodigy.net/tempus/tempus6.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
105 posted on 11/27/2001 11:23:38 AM PST by Cowgirl
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To: John H K
I don't get how (some) Christians just blatantly lie to support their own little religious hobby-horses. I mean, the claims about increases in earthquakes are easily checkable and it's not a matter of debate...anyone claiming earthquakes have increased is an obvious liar....not that the author of the post is...probably just naively accepting whatever apocalyptic end-times nuts are telling her.

I agree with you wholeheartedly on this subject. When I first saw the thread I thought "Oh boy, here it comes". Christians just tossing out their beliefs that are based on pure speculation, conjecture, and an active imagination further enhanced by wanting to believe something that may make "sense" or gets rid of the gray areas and makes them black or white. They read a verse in the Bible and start making up theories as to what the prophecy is. I once believed in the mainstream Christian belief of the time line of end time events e.g. first comes the rapture and then the time of tribulation, etc, etc. I have since thrown out those beliefs because I cannot back them up with Scripture. I'm willing to accept that the "mark of the beast" is something the Scripture does not tell me what it is. So I'm not going to start theorising that it is a microchip blah blah blah. I don't know and I can live quite nicely knowing I don't know but I do believe as the end times come near that God through his holy spirit will reveal the true meaning of the prophecies that are yet to come. Playing mental masturbation with prophecy Scriptures is generally what I see them doing with the rest of the Scriptures. Real sloppy. Some of the things I hear or read from "Christians" I would love to ask them "just what Scriptures can you show me that backs up your beliefs or did you just make it up?" A spiritual person will not play games with the Scriptures as they realize that wrong doctrine will make for wrong living and make you miserable. I believe the biggest lie ever propounded on humanity was when the devil (serpent) said to Adam and Eve "You shall be as gods". This is the basic crux of anybody's life today. Are you God or do you want the real Almighty God as your God? If someone wants to spout off about "their" scriptures why don't they write their own Bible? Essentially they already have.

154 posted on 11/27/2001 1:44:36 PM PST by jwh_Denver
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