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Patrick J. Buchanan: Is America ashamed of its Christian past?
WorldNetDaily ^ | Tuesday, November 27, 2001 | Patrick J. Buchanan

Posted on 11/26/2001 9:07:31 PM PST by ouroboros

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To: Pelham
Thanks for some of the additonal comments on this thread. They were very key to the arguements.
121 posted on 11/27/2001 10:28:04 PM PST by DoughtyOne
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To: redrock
Great job gathering the quotes of Washington, Adams and the rest....
122 posted on 11/27/2001 10:39:38 PM PST by F16Fighter
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To: OWK
The heavy guns, huh?

All points aside, the quality of the writing amazes.

Gone forever.

124 posted on 11/27/2001 10:54:27 PM PST by alcuin
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To: ouroboros
For later
125 posted on 11/27/2001 11:24:53 PM PST by TopQuark
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To: Pelham
It is Abraham's fault he lost. But your candidate is proud that a liberal [I think a 20% rating with Amer. Conservative Union] beat a conservative [85% rating ACU].

Your man is no conservative.

126 posted on 11/28/2001 4:50:22 AM PST by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: Pelham
Where's your example to back up that accusation?

An example would be this article from the American Muslim Council convention:

Reform Party presidential candidate Pat Buchanan addressed the luncheon which followed. Drawing parallels between himself and the American Muslim community, Buchanan told the audience they have shared family values and a belief that abortion is wrong. Islam’s influence, he said, is “on the rise, and I believe the influence of your community in this country is positive, it is beneficial and it is desperately needed in an age when I see our country going in the wrong direction.

Buchanan was not the only politician there. However, the way he presents himself as a spokesman for America First and a defender of Christian culture seems a bit hypocritical. Buchanan panders for hyphenated-American and "multicultural" votes just the same as any other pol.

127 posted on 11/28/2001 9:04:42 AM PST by Inyokern
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
Give me a liberal who is not a pro-immigration fanatic any day over a neo-con pro-immigration fanatic (read: Spencer Abraham).
128 posted on 11/28/2001 9:58:40 AM PST by Phillip Augustus
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To: Phillip Augustus
You got your liberal in Michigan. And she was just a 'pro-immigration as a congresswoman as Abraham was as a senator.

Except now we have one more vote in the Senate to take away guns, promote abortion, raise taxes, approve liberal judges, increase the size of government and expand the power of unions.

But since when did any of these things really matter to people like you?

129 posted on 11/28/2001 10:36:54 AM PST by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: ouroboros
I'm not a Buchanan fan by any stretch but from time to time he has been unjustly castigated. Now, he has done a very good service to the cause of truth by pointing out the historical circumstances of the FIRST CRUSADE which came OVER 400 YEARS AFTER Islam had succeeded in dhimiizing whole Christian and Jewish populations, cleansing the Arabian peninsula of Jews and Christians, oppressing and occasinally massacring Christians and Jews throughout the Balkans, Armenia, Syria, North Africa, etc.

If anything, Buchanan was far TOO MILD in indicating the circumstances of the FIRST CRUSADE. Indeed, after over 400 years of ISLAMIC oppression the Seljuk Turkish Muslims were threatening Constantinople and the Eastern Empire. That's what finally precipitated the FIRST CRUSADE.

Hence, BUMP for mild truth.

130 posted on 11/28/2001 12:41:28 PM PST by Lent
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
And seeing how upset you play at being with your new pro-choice Senator, tell us your opinion of Christy Todd Whitman and Tom Ridge in the Cabinet. Seeing as how you are such a stickler for consistency. It must be... Buchanan's fault that Dubya appointed those scoundrels. Yeah, that's the ticket, isn't it Marsy?
131 posted on 11/28/2001 9:35:32 PM PST by Pelham
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To: Phillip Augustus
You are being unfair in labelling Spencer Abraham a "neocon pro-immigration fanatic." He's really just a leader of the Treason Lobby, and can't help himself. He always put his country first, whichever one it might have been.

Don't you just sleep better knowing that he's in the Cabinet, doing to another branch of government what he did for immigration reform while in the Senate?

132 posted on 11/28/2001 9:42:23 PM PST by Pelham
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To: Pelham
It would be a wonderful world if all of a pro-life president's appointments could be pro-life.

I would like to see all the cabinet officials be pro-life. I would like to see all prolife generals running the war in Afganistan. I would like to see all prolife police and firefighters helping the WTC victims in NYC.

But getting all prolifers can be a little difficult. Just ask Pat Buchanan about why he asked a proabortion communist to be his campaign chair or why he asked a proabortion Teamster president to be his vice-presidential candidate.

If Buchanan was not even willing to commit to a prolife running mate or campaign chair, what do you think his cabinet would look like?

133 posted on 11/29/2001 4:21:43 AM PST by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: ouroboros
Hi 'Boros!
134 posted on 11/29/2001 4:28:48 AM PST by Inspector Harry Callahan
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
"To people like you..."???? I've a grand total of about five posts on this forum, and I doubt you've read more than one or two of them. How in the world have you concluded what my positions are on any of the issues that you mentioned? I might be in favor of those things; then again, I might not. But, I can promise you that I am adamantly opposed to the current suicidal immigration policies of the United States (and, for that matter, Europe).
135 posted on 11/29/2001 6:07:00 AM PST by Phillip Augustus
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To: Inspector Harry Callahan
Tisk, tisk.

JimRob said you are allowed only on the "Freeper" thread, not others.

136 posted on 11/29/2001 6:13:58 AM PST by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: DoughtyOne
And no he's not interested in intellectual honesty.

That means a lot coming from a guy who disagrees with my statement claiming that Buchanan has a public image problem.

You are the one being intellectually dishonest. And you are the one who cut and ran.

137 posted on 11/29/2001 6:24:01 AM PST by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: DoughtyOne; ouroboros; ThanksBTTT
Lol ...

Generally ... those with the reading and comprehension deficits are exactly the first to yell "BUSH HATER" if someone criticizes the so-called "Bush" decision to legitimize and perpetuate with federal funds embryonic stem cell research.

We've got folks who think he's calling GW a marxist (not the Mason he was) and who miss entirely his use of "scourge" to describe the treatment of Bush. C'mon, a comparison of Bush to Christ, er, Bush's favorite philosopher? Pat's coming around, baby! =)

138 posted on 11/29/2001 6:45:57 AM PST by Askel5
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To: ouroboros
I agree generally with Pat, but I still don't think it was a good idea, from the point of view of diplomacy, to call our war a crusade. We need the help of Moslem countries in our war.

Of course, I have no problem with the crusades and pray every day that the Holy Father will call another one to liberate the Holy Land from the Mohammedans and Zionists. If he does, I'll sign up the same day. I know it probably won't happen in my lifetime, but who knows?

139 posted on 11/29/2001 10:03:08 AM PST by traditionalist
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To: 11th Earl of Mar
Partner, Buchanan makes single statements.  You haven't given him credit for a single one of them.  You're a shill focused on trashing him at every opportunity.  Beyond that there's really nothing more to say.

Of course Buchanan has an image problem.  Who wouldn't with guys like you going around throwing out hundreds of accusations hoping at least a few will stick.  There isn't a guy around who would bring up the issues Buchanan has that wouldn't receive the same treatment from you.  Your comments that he has part of the right message, only he's the wrong messenger, is a self-serving lie in itself.  Number one, you don't give him credit for his message, because you ALWAYS folow up even the slightest hint of agreement with more slanderous charges.  Beyond that, there could NEVER be a right person to deliver his message, and you know it.  You and your buds would trash them in the same manner as you have Buchanan.  And then after about seven years of it, you'd be saying, well some of their message is right, but they're the wrong messenger.  Your a dufus.  You think nobody is on to you.  Think again.

As for me cutting and running, I simply let you out yourself.  Then I left you in a heap of ashes.  You've been scorched partner.  If you're too subliminal to know it, why should I waste my time restating the obvious.

As for intellectual dishonesty, I don't really mind you screwing with everyone else's minds.  I expect it.  But you can't even be honest with yourself.  Now that's pathetic.

140 posted on 11/29/2001 10:49:30 AM PST by DoughtyOne
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