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To: Mike_Manske
I agree with you, Mike. These "facts" that other posters refer to are generally opinions and repeated lies. Does anyone know what hearsay is? As for the 911 call, how convenient it is to start shooting, then call the same authorities you tried to kill for help. No one used nursing mothers for target practice except in the poster's paranoid mind. Also, there has been real evidence presented to show that the Branch Davidians started the fire.
14 posted on 11/26/2001 10:44:57 AM PST by History is truth
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To: History is truth
there has been real evidence presented to show that the Branch Davidians started the fire.

As per above where is your so called proof...all I have seen is both of you repeating left-wing spin....

18 posted on 11/26/2001 10:57:56 AM PST by robnoel
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To: History is truth
the individual hired by the US government to do autopsies on the bodies said in his official report that all of the 80+ bodies he examined were murdered.

There is a huge amount of evidence indicating that those people were murdered. This evidence even includes video shot by the Alabama Air Guard from 5 miles away in the air and the video actually shows government soldiers shooting at these people.

A big problem for you perhaps, you have to be willing to actually look at the evidence, perhaps you're too much of a bigot to do that.

31 posted on 11/26/2001 8:26:26 PM PST by Red Jones
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To: History is truth
" These "facts" that other posters refer to are generally opinions and repeated lies"

More propaganda from the left wing.

51 posted on 11/26/2001 9:33:18 PM PST by gatex
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To: History is truth; Mike_Manske
You might say I'm one of the last FReepers who'd every yell "conspiracy", but I believe there is Govt wrongdoing in the Waco holocaust, and that is an appropriate way to describe.

I've studied this for several years, looking at it from both sides, and believe it was a deliberate show of strength and power by the Clintons, and they included Hubbel and Foster. Reno was nothing more than a fallguy (in her case, yes, guy) put out there to take blame, so the Clintons could hide behind her skirts. I find it nearly impossible that the fire began on the day Reno had a previously scheduled speech in Baltimore, leaving the Clintons running the show.

You might do a search on Danny Coulson, who was a former asst deputy director for the FBI; read his book, then learn how his feelings changed about who was complicit in how the fire was started--one Richard Rogers, cdr of the HRT at both Ruby Ridge and Waco. He had no authority to use the volatile gas canisters, nor did anyone else on site, but he is the one who gave the order. Who authorized him to change Reno's order that no flammable canisters would be used? Who was at the helm in Reno's absence? The Clintons, Hubbel and Foster.

Rogers is the one who should be dragged in, threatened with facing the charges alone; maybe that will convince him to tell where his orders originated. Rogers also changed the FBI Rules of Engagement as to when the agents could and should fire, again in both situations, RR and Waco. I believe he and Jeffrey Jamar were part of a rogue group of FBI agents who made their own rules, and have caused the appearance of a totally corrupt, gun-happy FBI. OTOH, many are gone, incl the criminal FBI counsel, Shapiro. Read up on Rogers, and you may change your mind. NBC's Dateline ran a segment with Danny Coulson (may be Colson) more than a year ago, and it was surprisingly candid, with Colson clearly having changed his mind from what was written in his book that generally absolved all Govt wrongdoing, and when asked "why", he said he'd asked other agents and then reached this conclusion. I have on tape, but have asked NBC to rerun, but not even a reply. With Weaver receiving $1M+ settlement, we know there was wrongdoing at RR, so why not Waco, too. If you haven't watched the Waco documentary tapes, that may also provide insight.

About Koresh. Pedophile? No, not in the true sense; he simply married these young women to have as many children as he believed God wanted. He may have been deranged, but IMO he believed in a literal translation of his Bible. The odd thing, when asked who told her of child abuse at Mount Carmel, Reno said "I can't remember".

Please understand I'm not asking you to take my word, rather suggesting you consider what I've written, do searches and read the multitude of articles written by credible journalists; then think about this, how Coulson publicly spoke out on this, naming Rogers as the one who changed the order on which type of gas was used, the fact he nor anyone else on site at Waco had the authority to change. Coulson had nothing to gain at that point, he was contradicting what he'd already written in his book, which I believe is "No Heroes".

83 posted on 11/27/2001 6:21:20 PM PST by katze
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