Posted on 11/25/2001 1:00:40 AM PST by pcl
Unless somebody helps me get this story out to the abortion industry, at least 42 people who work at abortion clinics and are targeted to be killed by Clayton Waagner will never know Clayton Waagner tried to give them an escape clause from their contract with the abortion industry.
'll tell you how I know this.
The back doorbell of my home in Georgia rang shortly before noon today. As I went to the door, my dog freaked out as usual. Through the large window in the door I saw a friendly looking man I did not recognize. He said, "You're Neal Horsley. I've seen your picture on the Internet. I've read everything you've written and I really appreciate what you're doing for the babies."
I smiled, opened the door and stepped outside, leaving the dog inside complaining loudly.
The man thrust out his right hand and said, "I just wanted to shake your hand." I shook his hand.
After spending the minimum amount of time and saying the minimum amount of pleasantries to show the man that I appreciated his support, the man left.
As I was going back inside, the phone rang. As I answered the phone I looked out the front window. I had a glimpse of what I assumed was the rear of the man's car as it went out of sight underneath some trees near my front lawn.
An hour or so later, I was sitting in my office when I noticed my dog's ears perk up. I turned to look at the door to my office just as the form of a man filled the doorway. In one motion, he pulled back his coat to show me a large holstered firearm while simultaneously he commanded me to hold the dog.
I obeyed.
It was the man I had talked to earlier at the back door.
"You don't recognize me, do you." he stated, and then stopped.
"No, I don't."
"I'm Clay Waagner."
I stared at him for a few long seconds, then I said disbelievingly, "You're Clay Waagner."
I knew a lot about Clayton Waagner. I knew he had been on the FBI's 10 Most Wanted List for months; I knew he had been spotlighted on America's Most Wanted on numerous occasions; and I knew that at this time when America is taking terrorists Dead or Alive all over the world, Clay Waagner was touted as the most hunted man in America because he was a bona fide Domestic Terrorist. I knew all that about Clay Waagner because I have been an abortion abolitionist for years and Clay Waagner's particular terrorist target happened to be abortionists and those who make their living working at abortion clinics.
At that moment, as I looked into Clay Waagner's eyes, I also knew one other thing: my life was about to change.
So that's what I said, "My life is fixing to change, isn't it?"
"That's right," was all he said.
We paused then with my hand lying heavy on my dog and Clayton Waagner standing in the doorway with his hand resting easy on his holstered gun.
Finally I said, "So what are you doing here?"
He asked me if I had heard that anyone suspected him of sending hundreds of letters filled with what was supposed to be anthrax powder to abortion clinics and Planned Parenthood offices around the country.
I told him I thought it was unlikely anyone would suspect him since he was on the run and obviously wouldn't have the means to do something like that.
He took a seat near my desk and said, "Well, it was me that did it."
I certainly did not want to call the man with a pistol in his lap a liar, but I could not hide my continuing skepticism.
Over the next hour of so, Clayton Waagner showed me evidence that proved that, not only had he actually sent hundreds of anthrax threats to hundreds of abortion clinics, Planned Parenthood, The National Abortion Federation, etc. offices, but he had also staked out 42 abortion workers so that it was only a matter of time until he would assassinate them all.
I even managed to get him to let me record his story.
When he left, he tied me up with duct tape so that it took many long minutes before I could untie myself.
I immediately called 911 and cooperated fully with the police. But when the police left they took my recorded interview with Clayton Waagner. I am trying to get that tape so I can post it on the Internet for you to hear. It is very important that the information on that tape be made available because Clayton Waagner has an escape clause built into his plan to assassinate 42 abortion workers. The details of that escape clause are on the taped interview I conducted. But the police in Carrollton, Georgia have it now and I cannot presently get them to even give me a copy.
It sounds like a load of @#%@#.
That was my first question about this report. If he's able to recall times of Waagner's visit, the reaction of his dog, specific details of the conversation, why didn't he report on the conditions that it'd take for these 42 abortion clinic workers to save their lives? Surely, the entire incident--including being tied up with duct tape--would be seared into his memory.
Something's fishy about this story. Oh, I believe that Waagner paid Horsley a visit, but because of the sharpness of detail on some facts and his fuzziness on others, makes me wonder if this report is truly factual as to time & date, and if it occurred when Horsley reports it to have happened. Why should this one important detail be left out of his report?
http://www.post-gazette.com/headlines/20011125waagnernat3p3.asp
Fugitive abortion foe: I sent anthrax threats Waagner makes visit to Web site operator
Sunday, November 25, 2001
By Dennis B. Roddy, Post-Gazette Staff Writer
Fugitive Clayton Waagner said he is the sender of a series of anthrax threats to family planning clinics, and said he plans to begin killing 42 clinic workers he has identified, according to a fellow anti-abortion militant who says Waagner held him at gunpoint Friday.
"He had some FedEx packing slips and he had copies of the letters that had been included in there," said Neal Horsley, a Carrollton, Ga., anti-abortion activist whose writings Waagner has read.
The latest round of anthrax threats against family planning clinics had been sent through Federal Express last week using billing numbers stolen from Planned Parenthood and the National Abortion Federation.
Horsley said Waagner, who has family roots in Western Pennsylvania, appeared heavier than in previous photos, had a beard and, when asked how he has survived as a fugitive, flashed rolls of $100 bills he said were taken in bank robberies."
He said at one point, 'You know, I really am an accomplished criminal,' " Horsley said. "I asked him once where he had been and he said, 'I have never slept in the same bed twice.' "
Horsley's Web site, Christian Gallery, has been the subject of national controversy since he first published The Nuremberg List, a compendium of names and addresses -- sometimes photos -- of abortion providers, clinic workers and abortion- rights supporters. Critics have said that the files are a de facto hit list from which clinic stalkers have drawn names of future targets.
At the time Waagner was arrested, after allegedly staking out dozens of clinics in the Northeast and Mid-south, he said he was attempting to update the Nuremberg files and had hidden new addresses and information in a series of free e-mail accounts on various sites on the World Wide Web.
Waagner escaped in February from a jail in Clinton, Ill., where he was awaiting sentencing on federal firearms and interstate theft charges. As a career criminal, he could have received a life sentence.
In September, Waagner kidnapped a man outside a Tunica, Miss., casino and later fled in the man's car.
According to Horsley, Waagner stopped at Horsley's home shortly before noon Friday, but did not identify himself. Horsley said he did not recognize the man, who simply told him he had read Horsley's writings, shook his hand, then left.
About an hour later, Horsley said, the man reappeared and asked him if he recognized him. When he did not, the man said, "I'm Clay Waagner."
Horsley said the visit lasted about an hour, during which Waagner flashed money, showed dozens of false driver licenses with his photo on them, and informed Horsley that the gun he was carrying had been stolen in Memphis, Tenn.
"He asked me if I had heard that anyone suspected him of sending hundreds of letters filled with what was supposed to be anthrax powder to abortion clinics and Planned Parenthood offices around the country," Horsley said. "I told him I thought it was unlikely anyone would suspect him since he was on the run and obviously wouldn't have the means to do something like that. He took a seat near by desk and said, 'Well, it was me that did it.' "
Horsley said Waagner agreed to "an escape clause" under which he would not attack the 42 abortion industry workers he claims to have identified and targeted for murder.
They would be left alone, Horsley said Waagner told him, if they resigned their jobs and documented it. Wagner, according to Horsley, said these people needed to send Horsley information to prove that they no longer were employed at clinics.
Waagner then wanted Horsley to post the information on his Web site, which Waagner said he monitors."I said, 'How are they to know they're targeted?' " Horsley said. "He said, 'The holy spirit will tell them.' "
Their encounter ended a while later."When he left, he tied me up with duct tape so that it took many long minutes before I could untie myself," Horsley said.
Police in Carrollton, Horsley said, took fingerprints in his home, copies of documents Waagner left behind, and had him examine photos of Waagner. Horsley said he identified Waagner from one of three photographs posted on the FBI's 10 Most Wanted List.
Carrollton police said yesterday that they have notified the FBI, and they would not discuss the incident.
Horsley's claim of a visit from Waagner comes a week after federal agents, including U.S. Postal inspectors, searched the Waagner family's home near Kennerdell, Venango County. At the time, agents were looking for information that might give some idea of his whereabouts.
The U.S. Marshals Service confirmed last night that Carrollton police were called to Horsley's home on Friday where they took possession of a tape and documents that appeared to be from Waagner.
It doesn't pass the scratch & sniff test, does it? I think Horsley's waiting by his phone, just in case the media calls ("Mr. deMille, I'm ready for my close-up")--and I suspect he called his lawyer as soon as he "untied" his hands from the duct tape.
Things just don't add up: he's being held at gunpoint, but he's able to tape the conversation. Not only is he being held at gunpoint by an accomplished criminal (bank robberies, kidnappings, car thefts), but he's duct taped by the guy--but has had the fastest Stockholm Syndrome conversion I've ever seen: he's willing to help Waagner with his list of 42 abortion clinic workers if they only mail Horsley with some coded information (now up on Horsley's website) despite the threats to his physical safety (say, why didn't he steal Horsley's car?).
Oh, and this from the new post on christian gallery.com:
Waagner: I am determined. I said in my earlier posting [to the Army of God Web site: editor] that I'd use every resource available to me. There are some rules here, but there are few. And, uh, uh, I am resourceful. I hope that the Fed Ex attacks and the mail attacks [Recent false anthrax threats mailed to hundreds of abortion clinics, etc., which Waagner confessed to earlier in the interview: editor] demonstrates that resourcefulness. I mean, no one's ever done this, and I did. I am resourceful. And I'm probably going to continue to demonstrate that resourcefulness to them. But there's so many ways I can hit them. I've got the 42 list I've been working on. It's been well-publicized that I'm pretty good at car theft. Well, I've been a licensed pilot since 1985. It hasn't been published yet but…Eighty five or eight six; I'm not sure which…but I'm a licensed pilot. An airplane's easier to steal than a car, a small plane. I mean I could build a bomb and drop it on you from the air. Just did the Virginia Dare [first European baby born in USA] Air Force.
The whole story is proably just a the author's sick way of intimitating abortion workers and mayber even getting a few to resign.
I sincerely doubt if any abortion workers are going to send any personal information to Neal Horsley and/or Clayton Waagner, no matter what the circumstances. After all, Horsley has already put personal information on some or all of these people on Waagner's list on his website so why does Waagner have to have some code to verify they're out of the abortion business? It's the equivalent of painting a bullseye on one's chest. And tt seems like he'd still target them because they were part of the abortion industry. It's just a mind game and a publicity stunt.
There is no search engine that I know of that would find and catalog some obscure web page in less than 24 hours. The URL you gave is an IP address. Search engines do not catalog thing by IP adr, they catalog by Domain Name.
I traced down the IP (209.41.167.182) in the URL you gave. I found it is registered to AAPRESS.ORG. Entering AAPRESS.ORG into my browser and the website known as www.christiangallery.com appears. AAPRESS.ORG is and alias for www.christiangallery.com
You could not have found that URL by searching. No way. You had to have known the URL. The only way you could have known the URL is if your are closely associated with Neal Horsley and www.christiangallery.com.
It is nice to know that about you.
I sincerly and humbly apologize for everything I said about you. I made a bad mistake. I said some no nice things about you. I am sorry.
I do not think I will be able to travel to texas any time soon. Will you accept a cyber butt kiss?
UXU
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