[Uncle Sham]

My father's name was Sully. I miss him as well. :-)
My point was simply that if "life" begins at birth, as pro-choice folks wish to believe, there is no such thing as a "father". To have a father, one must be a PERSON all the way from conception. Tissue masses, according to pro-choicers, do not possess identity as people and thus do not have the ability to have relatives, which would include fathers.

[Torie]

Tissue masses, according to pro-choicers, do not possess identity as people

You seem to be slipping back into the real issue, to wit, when does life begin? On that, you will only win with leap of faith arguments, not with objectivity. That goes for the other side as well. That is why this issue will never be ultimately resolved.