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And just think--our Congresscritters passed this horror without reading it.
1 posted on 11/24/2001 4:26:19 AM PST by Ada Coddington (ACoddington@Compuserve.com)
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To: Ada Coddington
At the president time, President George W. Bush has my full, complete, and whole-hearted support. He shows all the signs of greatness. His countenance may well grace Mount Rushmore--or a comparable monument--one day.

However, as this article cautions, his legacy could turn out to be the antithesis of what we hope and expect.

If G. W. Bush is a great man--if he is Mount Rushmore material--he will dispatch America's external enemies forthwith--and then direct his attention to America's internal enemies.

This could well mean the revocation of the Patriot Bill and its provisions--as a starter.

The threat from within is a far greater danger to the United States, to liberty, and to the people of the world, than is the threat from without.

The war on terrorism is childs play compared to the real challenge--the threat from WITHIN.

Americans must insist that George W. Bush understand this.

And Americans must assure that George W. Bush rises to the real challenge.

2 posted on 11/24/2001 5:32:35 AM PST by Savage Beast
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To: Ada Coddington; sirgawain; Mercuria; tex-oma
Anyone who’s been thinking that the erosion of civil liberties following 9/11 would be minimal, justified, nonintrusive, nonthreatening, or would contribute to the security of American civilians, should have known better.

H.R.3162.

13 posted on 11/24/2001 7:52:17 AM PST by MadameAxe
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To: Ada Coddington
i am concerned about our civil liberties and i do not want to be in a police state. i am fine with this bill if it is only used to battle terrorists. but i see two problems:

it will be used for other criminal activities

nobody has put forth a credible alternative that would protect us from terrorists

while i strongly oppose pornography and misdemeanor drug violations, i would hate to see this law used in investigations of this sort sometime in the future. our government continues to grow and usurps resources from us to keep us safe from others, and from ourselves. don't laugh, the politically correct movement is really an extension of this.

i propose that we let this bill alone. but we limit the taxing and spending that the government can do and we insist on a balanced budget -- constitutionally. limiting taxing must be a significant reduction -- not a slowing in the rate of growth.

politicians are not stupid. if we provide them with the groundrules, they will figure out how to protect us as efficiently as possible (with as little money as a beaurocracy can do). they simply will not be able to spend the money to extend this bill to cover other criminal investigations.

it all comes down to money -- not because we are greedy, but because it represents what resources we have. let's force the government into more of a business decision making mode and less into an ideological warfare campaign.

18 posted on 11/24/2001 8:31:54 AM PST by mlocher
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To: Ada Coddington
Re: Post #1....They pass everything without reading it!

This gives them plausable deniability, while, at the same time, giving them exactly what they most desire.....more power with which to rule/control the peasants.

19 posted on 11/24/2001 8:36:11 AM PST by SuperLuminal
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