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NORTHERN NASTY AND NICE (United Way ranks quality of life: Southern states are the worst)
Providence Journal ^ | 11/22/01 | Robert Whitcomb

Posted on 11/23/2001 5:25:09 AM PST by LarryLied

Despite the "friendly" Sunbelt's purported ease and opportunity, the "unfriendly" North continues by far to have the best quality of life.

The United Way now reports that Minnesota (of which I am genetically half a native, which may undermine the good data here) is the best state, in economic well-being, education, health, civic engagement, safety and the environment. Having visited this Midwest Finland, I am not surprised. And I find New Hampshire's Number 2 rating apt, too, having inhabited that rocky realm of rectitude, responsibility and (usually) reasonableness for four years.

Ditto the others in the top 10: Connecticut (even with Hartford!); Massachusetts; Vermont; Maine; Wisconsin; Iowa; New Jersey, and, yes, even Rhode Island, hardly a state at all!

Meanwhile, the bottom 10 are all in the Sunbelt, the worst New Mexico, and then Louisiana.

Maybe it's mostly the weather. The North's bracing and wildly variable climate energizes people and encourages planning and careful citizenship. And it's probably better for you, because cold is bad for bugs. Even the post-war wave of air-conditioning hasn't let previously soporific Southern schools, offices and factories overcome the North's paradoxical climatic advantage.

And Northerners tend to be less mobile, and so less likely to slide into that appalling anomie in which the American Dream is pursued by folks wandering the roads in search of pots of gold that turn out to be tin, and leaving no forwarding address. But then, it is easier to wander about where the weather is warm. Thus the pervasive trailer parks in the Sunbelt, and enough social problems to make you ask if the Sunbelt's growing national power is a good thing. (Don't show this to my Tennessee relatives.)



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To: Savage Beast
basically, get the Yankee out of them--you can't tell them from just regular, normal people. It takes some longer than others, and the process is not pleasant.

I agree wholeheartedly...I have met lots of nice people who used to live up north, even some who still do.
I have come to believe Yankee is not a place but an attitude....a really bad attitude.

121 posted on 11/23/2001 7:33:57 AM PST by JD86
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To: Paul Atreides
It's sad that the nation cannot do that anymore, isn't it?

It's still OK up here in Illinois. My dad still doesn't lock his door.

122 posted on 11/23/2001 7:34:27 AM PST by #3Fan
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To: #3Fan
It's not the cold weather. It's the mentality. Idaho's pretty cold--but WOW! What a place! They don't like California people moving there and immediately trying to change it into California--rules, lawsuits, oppressive laws, et al.--"Californication".
123 posted on 11/23/2001 7:34:52 AM PST by Savage Beast
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To: #3Fan
You obviously don't know what wage slavery was. No they couldn't quit their jobs. I do mean that literally.
124 posted on 11/23/2001 7:35:22 AM PST by yarddog
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To: JD86
Right, so that is why you bring up slavery in every conversation, like we all personally owned slaves?

Though your reply was to someone else, please take note I have yet to mention slavery.

Oh, and incase your ever interested, this yankee boy will put his pig pickin skills and his BBQ sauce (vinegar based or tomato based) up against any born and bred southerner. Many of my native friends readily admit that I am the only yankee they know who knows what they are doing around a pig.

125 posted on 11/23/2001 7:36:13 AM PST by Phantom Lord
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To: Phantom Lord
Where does California rank? They have outhouses there too.
126 posted on 11/23/2001 7:36:24 AM PST by Savage Beast
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To: LarryLied
Yeah, it's horrible down here in Texas, just horrible. All Liberals would just hate it here.
127 posted on 11/23/2001 7:37:38 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: yarddog
Have to go for a few hours, will check back later.
128 posted on 11/23/2001 7:37:45 AM PST by yarddog
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To: Savage Beast
Is there something wrong with outhouses? I don't have one yet but I was listening to some show on the radio about some new kind they have that makes compost. I thought maybe I'd get one and put in a nice garden later.
129 posted on 11/23/2001 7:37:59 AM PST by FITZ
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To: COB1; Yellow Rose of Texas; CedarDave
Yes, a steady stream of land yachts heading south on 285 also.

I can't do down to Big Bend this weekend, because it's booked up with damnyankees.

Remember when Michigan and the rest of "the rust belt" moved to Houston?

130 posted on 11/23/2001 7:38:06 AM PST by razorback-bert
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To: LarryLied
originally from MI, been living in the south (SC) since early 80's. THE UNITED WAY ARTICLE HAS GOT TO BE A FRIGGIN JOKE.!!!!!!!!!!!!!
131 posted on 11/23/2001 7:38:14 AM PST by rickmoe
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To: yarddog
You post one snide comment about the South after another then have the gall to protest about Southerners not being nice to you.

It's a matter of who drew first blood. You Southerners have a bad habit of starting a fight and then complaining about the outcome of the fight. :^)

132 posted on 11/23/2001 7:38:18 AM PST by #3Fan
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To: LarryLied
The United Way now reports that Minnesota (of which I am genetically half a native, which may undermine the good data here) is the best state, in economic well-being, education, health, civic engagement, safety and the environment.

The United Way has proved themselves to be nothing more than a branch of the democratic party. I will never give them a dime of my money.

Ditto the others in the top 10: Connecticut (even with Hartford!); Massachusetts; Vermont; Maine; Wisconsin; Iowa; New Jersey, and, yes, even Rhode Island, hardly a state at all!

It's interesting to note that all of these states (save Vermont) harass law-abiding citizens who carry guns. All of them also have high taxes.

You couldn't pay me enough money to visit, let alone live in, any of these 10 states. I'd sooner dig ditches in Texas that relocate to any of the marxist slave farms mentioned on the "top 10 list".

The South and the West (coast exluded) are the places to be if a man values his freedom.

133 posted on 11/23/2001 7:38:45 AM PST by Mulder
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To: FITZ
It's probably really southerners writing these rankings just to keep the northerners where they are. Who wants all those big cities?

Now there's a worthy cause. :^)

134 posted on 11/23/2001 7:40:14 AM PST by #3Fan
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To: Phantom Lord
I guess then the portrayl of southerners as a bunch of yokels on tv is excuse enough to think that they are all like that. Hey, if only seeing NYC on tv is excuse enough for southerners not knowing what the rest of the state is like...

You made my point for me, you think we are all a bunch of yokels (rednecks)...and you didn't answer my question.

How are people supposed to know any different? You know about NC because you went there. I know LA is not California because I lived in another part of the state. I know TX is not Dallas because I lived in another part of the state. I know FL is not Miami because I lived in another part of the state. I know GA is not Atlanta because I lived in another part of the state. Do you get the point? And even though I have traveled... and have gone to school... you label me a redneck because I live in the South. Who is being narrow-minded?

135 posted on 11/23/2001 7:41:09 AM PST by JD86
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To: #3Fan
No one should move to New Mexico so it can stay the way it is, very uncrowded, beautiful mountains and deserts and forests.

And Gore country.

Only because of 600 "miracle" votes in Dona Ana county.

136 posted on 11/23/2001 7:43:26 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: JD86
Right, so that is why you bring up slavery in every conversation, like we all personally owned slaves?

It's a matter of who drew first blood. The post I responded to said that the South had a better economy than the North prior to 1861. I refuted that by saying it's easier to be wealthy if you don't pay your help. Again, you Southerners have a bad habit of starting a fight and then complaining of the outcome.

137 posted on 11/23/2001 7:44:43 AM PST by #3Fan
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To: viligantcitizen
I'm sorry I stuck my tongue out at you.
138 posted on 11/23/2001 7:45:28 AM PST by Savage Beast
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To: FITZ
I guess you haven't looked at Chicago or Detroit lately.

Believe it or not, there's more to Illinois than Chicago and there's more to Michigan than Detroit.

139 posted on 11/23/2001 7:46:19 AM PST by #3Fan
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To: LarryLied
For my money, the Top 10 metro areas in America: Austin, San Francisco, New York, San Diego, Raleigh-Durham-Chapel Hill

The bottom 5: Detroit, Cleveland, Milwaukee, Buffalo, Birmingham AL

Heaven: St Helena, CA.

Hell: Waterloo, IA.

140 posted on 11/23/2001 7:46:39 AM PST by IowaHawk
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