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To: Artist
So how have you determined that a two week old fetus is not a person?

I have observed that you anti-abortionists do not treat a two week old miscarriage like a person. You flush them down the toilet. If you truely belived the two week old fetus to be a person, you would treat it like a person.

END OF STORY

54 posted on 11/23/2001 9:29:04 PM PST by pcl
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To: pcl
I asked: "So how have you determined that a two week old fetus is not a person?"

You answered: "I have observed that you anti-abortionists do not treat a two week old miscarriage like a person. You flush them down the toilet. If you truely belived the two week old fetus to be a person, you would treat it like a person."

Your answer seems to be that a two week old miscarried baby deserves a funeral I guess, but since they don't get one, they must not be human beings. Since pro-life people don't have funerals for early miscarriages, they really don't think they were carrying a baby.

I can assure you that pro-life people mourn the loss of their miscarried babies and depending on the stage of development, some do have funerals. Maybe they don't do it in a way that satisfies you. If they did have a funeral and a burial, would you then be convinced that the 2 week old fetus is a human person deserving protection? Would that make you pro-life?

It seems like you are trying to justify your pro-abortion position by pointing out a perceived hypocrasy on the part of pro-lifers. Since pro-lifers don't behave they way you think they should, you must be right in thinking its ok to intentionally kill the unborn.

Husband of Artist

64 posted on 11/23/2001 10:31:51 PM PST by Artist
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To: pcl
I have observed that you anti-abortionists do not treat a two week old miscarriage like a person. You flush them down the toilet. If you truely belived the two week old fetus to be a person, you would treat it like a person.

END OF STORY

Not end of story by a longshot.

Women - of all types - prochoice, prolife - just women who have miscarriages - GRIEVE over their lost BABIES no matter what stage in pregnancy they lose their BABIES.

(FETUS is LATIN for "CHILD").

No, they don't hold memorial services for these babies. (Though some may). But that does not mean these tiny children are not grieved over as any child lost would be!

You speak of not wanting others to impose their will on a woman (i.e. - not allowing her to have an abortion if she so chooses).

Yet - you and the "proabortion" crowd members all conveniently ignore the fact that by ending the life of an unborn child (fetus means child), you are imposing your will on that child who has no voice. These unborn children are male and FEMALE. Therefore, you are forcing YOUR WILL on other females! (forcing them not to have the chance to be born and live and grow).

There is grace and love, oceans of love, mercy, and forgiveness for women who have "chosen" abortions - or who have had miscarraiges. (Many women who have miscarraigs experience guilt - as causing the DEATH of their baby somehow).

I don't know how old you are. I don't know what has happened to you regarding children or births. I don't know if you are a woman or a man. But I do know this. Your heart is hardened towards God - and towards human beings - for some reason. Only hard hearted people can be blind to the death of unborn children being a cause for mourning and great sorrow.....no matter how it happens.

I am old enough to remember my High School Biology text which was published before Roe V. Wade. That book - and all the Biology books of that pre-RVW era - clearly taught that "life begins at conception." The life of a new human being begins at conception. I don't know what the books of today teach - but there was no doubt about that fact then. (an aside: Yes, this is the "law". But so were the laws of Nazi Germany which viewed Jews as nonpersons. America's law has put unborn children in the category of nonpersons. But that is man's law - which does not ALWAYS represent the TRUTH about reality, now does it? Think of Nazi Germany - do some research - their laws were WRONG. Roe V. Wade is wrong also. One day, like Nazi German learned, we will realize our terrible error as a nation and come to our knees in repentance, pleading with God for forgiveness of us as individuals and as people).

Your callous disregard about a woman who "chooses" to force HER WILL on a defenseless unborn CHILD - all the while claiming to detest others who want to force their will on you - simply does not fly.

I do not judge you, however. Any woman in a crisis pregnancy - needs FACTS. Pro-abortionists never want truth/facts given to women in a crisis pregnancy because when a woman knows she is about to end the life of a BABY - a CHILD (fetus=child), they will often choose to either postpone the abortion or they will refuse it altogether! (taking money out of the hands of the abortionist - not nice)

One day, I do pray that you will turn to the God who loves you, and loves each and every child coming into this world, so much He sent his Son to live, suffer, and die on a cross - in your place - that you might have LIFE - eternal life - with God. Many who have held views you hold have done so - and have discovered the fantastic joy and peace of a relationship with the One True God, through His Son, Jesus Christ - the One person in all history who did more than any other to raise the condition and value of women in the world!

87 posted on 11/24/2001 5:04:29 AM PST by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: pcl
I have observed that you anti-abortionists do not treat a two week old miscarriage like a person. You flush them down the toilet. If you truely belived the two week old fetus to be a person, you would treat it like a person.

Where do you get this? Do these people know that they flushed their babies down a toilet?

380 posted on 11/28/2001 8:23:39 PM PST by independentgrrl
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