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See also a previous FR post: Postfertilization Effects of Oral Contraceptives and Their Relationship to Informed Consent.
1 posted on 11/22/2001 10:59:38 PM PST by toenail
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To: toenail; *Abortion_list; *Pro_life
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2 posted on 11/22/2001 11:04:28 PM PST by Libertarianize the GOP
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To: toenail
Y'know, when I read crap like this latest FDA threat to human life, I can't help but wonder whether we, in the long run, are not already doomed to defeat by the Muzzel-em masses ?!?!?!
3 posted on 11/22/2001 11:09:17 PM PST by GeekDejure
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To: toenail
How is contreception a threat to babies?

Most contraceptive prevent the fertilzation of the egg. No fetus ever exists.

If they abort a fetus in the first three months of pregnancy it is not killing a baby human. It is killing a fetus which has the potential to become a baby human.

I think the only real threat here is to those who want to limit the freedom of women to control their reproductive functions and thereby keep them enslaved to an outdated morality.

5 posted on 11/22/2001 11:27:38 PM PST by pcl
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To: MHGinTN
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8 posted on 11/22/2001 11:57:19 PM PST by toenail
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To: toenail; Libertarianize the GOP; GovernmentShrinker
Maybe someone can answer a few questions for me.

1. What is it that constitutes a human being? Is it simply the possession of human DNA? The hair follicles that have all too rapidly been leaving the top of my head contain human DNA but are not considered to be a human.

2. I notice the term potential human life is often used but potential and actual realization, are two entirely different things. With cloning technology the DNA in my hair follicles may have the potential to become a twin of myself.

3. What separates humans from other living animals? I think the big difference is the recognition of self, human consciousness. The realization that you are a separate entity with your own dreams goals and desires to create your own future. Do the unborn possess the realization that they have their own self-identity goals dreams etc? PETA assumes animals possess the same consciousness as humans, most people want PETA to prove that contention before they accept it.

4. Maybe it is the ability to develop into an autonomous human being if left to their own devices. The problem with this argument is that the unborn are completely dependent on one specific individual. Unless you accept that the needs of one constitute entitlement to the resources of another you need to allow the pregnant women a choice.

5. The argument is often made that having sex constitutes a voluntary acceptance of all potential consequences. Leaving aside rape, which nobody contends is voluntary, you are left with interesting questions of what constitutes a voluntary contract and who exactly is involved in a valid contract. At the time the contract is entered into the unborn child does not exist by any ones definition, conception occurs sometime afterwards. How is it possible for someone who does not yet exist to enter into a contract that is binding on another human being?

6. For a contract to be valid it must identify the parties involved. Since no one except God can know which sperm will penetrate the egg or even if any sperm will accomplish that task, the future potential unborn child can not be legally identified at the time the contract is supposedly made.

7. For a contract to be binding consideration is necessary, something of value must be exchanged. What of value has the unborn offered to the woman in exchange for the use of the woman’s body? In order to be a valid consideration it must be something that the woman in question considers to be of value.

8. The Thirteenth Amendment to the US Constitution forbids involuntary servitude. Absent a legally binding voluntary contract, forcing a woman to allow the use of her body by another individual would seem to constitute involuntary servitude.

26 posted on 11/23/2001 3:44:25 PM PST by Free the USA
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To: toenail
Contraception is surely self defeating when at the same time one promotes 'democracy' ... he who has the numbers rules.
93 posted on 11/24/2001 8:44:42 AM PST by gjenkins
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To: toenail
I thought we now had a President who was suppose to be Pro-Christ, pro-life, pro-individual Consitutional rights.

Alas,

Nukem

108 posted on 11/24/2001 2:02:25 PM PST by Alas
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To: toenail
You trust this governnemt.
166 posted on 11/24/2001 9:29:25 PM PST by Demidog
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To: toenail
Very sick, I'd say.

This confirms my opinion, even moreso, that we have a bunch of imbiciles in our government. They're very delusional and couldn't see the truth with it staring them in the face. They should be ashamed of themselves.

172 posted on 11/24/2001 9:47:20 PM PST by FreedomFriend
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To: toenail
Good. Let's promote the patch's use in all third world garbage cans and especially all countries inhabited by Moslems - they are nothing but a breeding ground for our Country's enemies. It is better and cheaper that we exterminate them before they are born rather than after with great cost in U.S. lives and treasure.
182 posted on 11/24/2001 11:05:20 PM PST by w.t.sherman
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To: toenail
This is a perfect example of hyperbole!
358 posted on 11/28/2001 9:33:31 AM PST by verity
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To: toenail
If it's a birth control patch, wouldn't it work like any other contraceptive, i.e., preventing contraception in the first place? Methinks y'all are screamin' to high heaven over nothing.
388 posted on 11/29/2001 12:09:51 PM PST by Junior
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