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"it is well past time that the federal government sell these lands, as there is no real legitimate national interest in its keeping all of them."

Well, ya know what? You just brought up the crux of the whole matter! Times have changed. The settlers, be they ranchers or farmers did our government a huge favor in taming a wilderness our government was way over it's head in governing!

Now that the blue noses in the blue zones think they've got the whole world by the ass, so they can just spit on these people that have been some of the best Americans in taming the "wild wild west" while eaking out a living of sorts with all of their improvements. It's been kinda like a "triple net lease" deal. Their descendents aren't voluntarily leaving the improvements behind... they're being forced to, sometimes at the point of a bunch of armed Federal Agents like Mr. Hage was! It's criminal IMHO!

Now the smart-assed enviro-whackos have decided that they're gonna infest our GovernMental agencies with their EnvironMental totalitarianism, using the NGO EnvironMental litigators, pushed by EnvironMental allegators, alleging just what you are saying, except they want the land socialized, supposedly for "the good of all!"

It's a load of crap and nothing but GOVERNMENT BY WHIM!!!

I just knew this kind of renegging would start, the minute John Wayne died and Ronald Reagan lost his health! This all sucks major canal water and stinks to high heaven!

Nobody likes a renegger and the US Government is being made into one of the biggest reneggers in world history, toward the best of it's own people... western ranchers and farmers!!!

Here we thought the indigineous peoples were screwed by the US Government, now look what's happening. It's beyond shameful!

Very interesting thread Waspman, but I am not up on this stuff enough to comment in detail. What little I know has come from Marsh2's writings and my personal experience with dealing with the agencies. As Marsh points out in her post above, going to 'admin court' with the guvmint is a total waste of money unless they have failed to follow their own rules -- and even then, it's still a crap shoot.

Although we know what the problem is (government ownership) and what the solution is (privatize it), public ignorance/apathy is preventing us from getting from here to there. IMHO, we ought to be thinking in terms of intermediate steps that would gradually move the issue towards resolution. I say this because I doubt that a judge will give us the silver bullet decision we would all like to see.