[William Terrell]

This is real hard for me to comprehend, all land in Texas is privately owned except for a tad here and there. What business does the government have owning state territory? This flies in the face of sovereign states, it's rediculous, how did this happen and why didn't the citizens slap their elected state officals in the face and make them do right?

I know you won't like this answer. Don't like it myself. The North won the war. So what? Well, when they did, the 14th amendment came into being. Before, each state awarded citizenship to members of that state and by virtue of that those members were citizens of the nation.

The 14th amendment made citizenship only at the national level, with residence only at the state level. All rights, privileges and protections flow from citizenship. The mere fact that citizenship is defined at the national level reduce the sovereignty of the states to virtually nothing.

Let me repeat: that one action of taking away state citizenship changed the entire face of America, obsoleted sections of the state and federal constitutions, which, incidently, were not removed from the text thereof, the ommission of which was act of fraud and deceit.

It's been that way since the war, but little was done about it so as to not alarm the population until it was settled into custom and national thought.

The muscle is being flexed now and the only obstacle left is the American people's belief otherwise. But the courts knew, and knows.

Looking at the problem strictly objectively and unemotionally, probably the only way that can be reversed is another war. If you try to use the courts, "judicial notice" will eat your lunch every time.

I suspect that every politician in all offices at state and federal level understands this, but wouldn't dare breathe a word of it. When you make politics a profession it soon becomes filled with craven cowards addicted to the most corrosive substances to the human soul: power and money.

My opinion.

[MissAmericanPie]

Thanks for the education, I had no freakin idea. This news will not set well with native born Texans, we feel we are barely in the Union as it is. I'm floored really.

I will bookmark this to my profile page, your explaination gives an insight into our situation that I have never heard before. Happy Thanksgiving to you.

[MamaTexan]

The mere fact that citizenship is defined at the national level reduce the sovereignty of the states to virtually nothing.

Good Sir,
This is a subject I've been studying for some time...
While your conclusions are disheartening, the 14th Ammendment itself is unConstitutional, and therefore null and void.

Also, I believe we are supposed to be American Nationals, NOT 'US Citizens'.

We can become American or US Nationals according to US Code Title 8 Section 1452:
(b) Application to Secretary of State for certificate of non-citizen national status; proof; oath of allegiance
A person who claims to be a national, but not a citizen, of the United States may apply to the Secretary of State for a certificate of non-citizen national status. Upon -
(1) proof to the satisfaction of the Secretary of State that the applicant is a national, but not a citizen, of the United States, and
(2) in the case of such a person born outside of the United States or its outlying possessions, taking and subscribing, before an immigration officer within the United States or its outlying possessions, to the oath of allegiance required by this chapter of a petitioner for naturalization, the individual shall be furnished by the Secretary of State with a certificate of non-citizen national status, but only if the individual is at the time within the United States or its outlying possessions.

Living as an American National, however, would make it extremely difficult to live in modern American society.

Until we can get the States to acknowledge the duplicity of the federal government, we are restricted to the choices of either living under the federal yoke, or living the comparative lifestyle of the last century.

[Carry_Okie]

As I recall, there has been a recent chink in your thesis re the 14th in NEW YORK v. UNITED STATES, 505 U.S. 144 (1992); Nos. 91-543, 91-558 and 91-563 Argued March 30, 1992, Decided June 19, 1992. In it, state citizenship was acknowledged as an extant doctrine. The decision was regarded as a landmark ruling, but has not manifested as such, for reasons that comport well with your argument. If you wish, I will go look at the text and cite it if I can.