I don't care who owned slaves and who didn't own slaves individually. I've never made claims of who owned slaves and who didn't own slaves individually, North or South. You can't judge the group by just looking at an individual just the same as you can't judge an individual by just looking at the actions of a group. The fact is that the Southern states plainly said they seceded because of the perceived hostility of Lincoln to slavery as stated in most if not all of their Declarations of Secession. The abolitionists hailed mainly in the North with the Radical Republicans being the main agent of change in this nation's stance on slavery. That's all that matters to me. These two facts make me glad that the North won the Civil War not to mention the extreme importance of preserving the union.
This implies acceptance of the proposition that slavery was wrong.
A person's knowledge of right versus wrong is worthless if that person isn't willing to admit facts to assess who is right and who is wrong.
I think that we can all agree on that. I also believe that we can agree that Grant did own at least one slave in Missouri whom Grant manumitted before he emigrated to Illinois.
I don't care if he did or not. Grant fought for duty and preservation of the union, as Lincoln said.
His wife maintained a few slaves, and at least one until December 1862.
I don't care who owned slaves and who didn't. The fact is the South seceded to preserve slavery as stated in most if not all of their Declarations ofd Secession.
In Julia Grant's Memoires, Mrs. Grant says that her slave girl ran away from her near Cincinnati around Christmas, 1862.
I don't care who owned slaves and who didn't. The fact is the South seceded to preserve slavery as stated in most if not all of their Declarations ofd Secession.
In a footnote to that work, John Y. Simon states that it is at least possible that the Dent/Grant slaves were emancipated by the XIII Amendment, although he cannot tell for sure.
I don't care. The fact is the South seceded to preserve slavery as stated in most if not all of their Declarations of Secession.
As for REL, I e-mailed Emory Thomas, University of Georgia and author of a sympathetic but not idolatrous Lee biography. He says that Lee owned slaves (left to him by his mother) at least as late as 1846 (REL, pg, 72) or 1852 (REL, pg. 173). On his emancipation of all his slaves in January, 1863, Lee hired two of his servants (Perry and George) and paid them $8.20 a month. (Lee in a letter to his wife, 8 FEB 63).
I don't care who owned slaves and who didn't. The fact is the South seceded to preserve slavery as stated in most if not all of their Declarations ofd Secession.
Hope this helps dampen the acrimony. Respectfully, D J White
Not a chance. LOL Men who are so hateful that they dig 140 years into the past, and then live in the past, to hate a group of people in the present are never going to be the type that you can lessen the acrimony with. Thanks for trying anyway, even with your bias. :^)
No offense, but nowhere on any thread have I ever argued about, or given a hoot about, who owned slaves and who didn't individually. We went to war as two groups The Northern group sought to preserve the union and then abolish slavery as a fringe benefit of war. The Southern group sought to dissolve America to preserve slavery as cleary stated in most if not all of their Declarations of Secession. The circumstances of individuals, who were products of their times, doesn't matter to me. Most Northern soldiers didn't fight to abolish slavery individually, most Southern soldiers didn't fight to preserve slavery individually. To assess right versus wrong between two groups, you have to look at the actions of the groups not the circumstances of individuals.
your source is wrong- slaves were taxable property and there are no tax records in VA of anyone surnamed Lee owning slaves in Arlington County-NONE. slaves were taxed in the owner's home county/city(BTW, cities in VA are not part of the county in which they are located, thus you have to check both sets of records!) of residence; had REL OR his mother owned slaves, there would be accessment records, as the taxman ALWAYS wins in the end.
for dixie,sw