Bombing stopped Milosevic: it will stop, bin Laden, too

Daily Toilet Barf ^ | Who cares? Oh OK: Tuesday 20 Nov 2001 | Ibrahim 'Ghandi Get Your Gun' Rugova

[bluester]

Kosovo could have been emptied of Albanians in a more humane way latter.

I couldn't believe I missed this statement the first time I read this thread. But it does speak for itself and for those writing it. So ethnic cleansing is OK, if Muslims are the subject. My, how naive I was to think otherwise.

At least my points and observations are proven.

[CHQmacer]

I wasn't saying that it's OK or that I approve. I was saying that the US is generally amorral in it's policies. It shouldn't be and it isn't always but it often is.

Look how long we took to do anything about ethnic cleansing in Bosnia ? The EU was even worse. They couldn't wipe their own butts without our leadership. They should have done it without us.

My point was that if the Serbs had been playing international politics wisely they could have done it with barely a whimper from the West. They screwed up and they blame us for their screw up.

[FormerLib]

If Montenegro leaves the FRY, there is no more FRY - Djindic is the Prime Minister of Serbia, and Kostunica is the President of Yugoslavia, and if Montenegro leaves Yugoslavia, Kostunica is out of a job. Yeah, I'm the one who's not paying attention.

No, you just don't get it. In your opinion there won't be any FRY, but they will still be recognized by the UN. That's all that counts. Buh-bye.

[FormerLib]

I'm staying out of your beef with Hoplight.

Don't like listening to barking dogs, eh?

[tonycavanagh]

re : I could of course point out that it was Yeltsin that stopped the war.

And all it cost was two bottles of Vodka

Cheersh hic comrade.

Cheers Tony

[Voronin]

LOLSKI! (though from what I heard two bottles of vodka is what it took just to get out of bed!)

Regs from last nights Karaoke Star sporting hangover,

VRN

[tonycavanagh]

re : LOLSKI! (though from what I heard two bottles of vodka is what it took just to get out of bed!).

Nothing wrong with a little eye opener or two or three in the morning.

You do know the new rules of this site don’t you, to get more hits you have to have Harry Potter in the title.

Cheers Tony

[Voronin]

You do know the new rules of this site don’t you, to get more hits you have to have Harry Potter in the title.

Nobody told me - THIS IS DISCRIMINATION! Am planning to go with some work colleagues to go and see said film in Saturday afternoon with all the kids. Time for another two asprins.

VRN

[tonycavanagh]

I am planning to go tonight with the missis.

Tony

[Vojvodina]

Kosovo is part of SERBIA, not Yugoslavia. The YU Constitution doesn't even mention Kosovo. Yugoslavia is a federation of TWO republics: Montenegro and Serbia.

Montenegro will not be independent. Literally half of its citizens do NOT want to secede.

1) Djukanovic needs 55% of the voters to vote in order for the referendum to be legitimate 2) Even if he by some miracle wins, he needs 66% of the votes in the Parliament to confirm the result of the referendum (that will never happen because he won't get past #1).

48% support independence. 44% favour the union. 39% of all voters will boycott the referendum. Djukanovic doesn't stand a chance. If he presses on with it, he's 100% mad because that might be the spark that will light the flames of yet another civil war, this time within Montenegro itself.

No need to mention that literally no EU country supports Djukanovic. And as for Djukanovic himself, that Dubrovnik affair will drag him down (Adm. Jokic is in the Hague, remember?). Djindjic is preparing to cut his losses and let Djukanovic go...

As for Kosovo and Metohia - it will never be independent. Serbia of 2001 is a very different Serbia. Yugoslavia is gearing up and will become the regional powerhouse - economically, politically and militarily - by 2005. Confederation with Macedonia is not excluded. Certain moves have been made by both Skopje and Belgrade.

[tonycavanagh]

re : I am planning to go tonight with the missis.

Should of rephrased that The Missis is going and taking me.

Have to admit I enjoyed the film.

Cheers Tony

[bluester]

I wouldn't be so sure Vojvodina.

[Vojvodina]

Just watch the show...

[Torie]

Putting aside your rosey predictions about Serbia (I hope they are true, and wish the best for them, but I doubt it), just what on God's Green Earth would make any rational Serb want to reincorporate by force 1.8 million Kosovars with a different language and culture who are totally estranged, and poor, back into the Serbian fold? Even if Serbia were able to do it, which it is not, and won't be in my lifetime, it seems something close to a psychotic act. It also against the trend in Europe, which is moving towards more regional automany everywhere, combined with supra national power structures.

Please forgive me for trying to move the conversation away from relitigating history, into something about what the future might portend, and what it might be wise to wish for.

[CHQmacer]

There is nothing contradictory about my statments. I stand by them all.

Just because we would rather see Slobo dead than tried by an international court doesn't mean that we would get our way.

In your next statment. You are confusing Bosnia with Kosovo. You're the one that can't get your story strait.

We didn't want anything to do with either but the Yugo gov wasn't playing their international politics wisely.

They foolishly believed that just because we demostrated quite conclusivly that we didn't "want" to get involved that that meant they could do anything they wanted in Bosnia and we wouldn't get involved enouph to change the outcome.

Then Slobo , knowing full well that his troops would be bombed if he sent the regulars into Kosovo , foolishly believed that they might still succeed.

They screwed up royally and have no one to blame but themselves.