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Extreme Distance Learning - Chinese Students get U.S. Diplomas without leaving China
LA Times ^ | November 20 2001 | HENRY CHU

Posted on 11/20/2001 6:08:37 AM PST by testforecho

Edited on 09/03/2002 4:49:34 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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Am I missing something, or is this a little off mission for a public university in the U.S.? UC Denver is a land grant school, right?
1 posted on 11/20/2001 6:08:38 AM PST by testforecho
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To: testforecho
When I think of how I had to stand on my head to get my Master's, this ticks me off.
2 posted on 11/20/2001 6:11:25 AM PST by EggsAckley
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I'll bet it does - way back in the 40's, one could go to business college and obtain an accounting degree. Now one has to complete college and as I understand it, subsequent education as well. A real bummer, isn't it? All about money!!!
3 posted on 11/20/2001 6:17:38 AM PST by Clifdo
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Another question: Is this program open to American citizens? I know many who would like to graduate from college but can't attend daytime classes on campus because they are working.
4 posted on 11/20/2001 6:18:36 AM PST by JD86
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To: JD86
THAT IS AN EXCELLENT QUESTION? WANT TO BET ON THE ANSWER?
5 posted on 11/20/2001 6:20:41 AM PST by Clifdo
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I intend to check on it personally. I have some family members who have been looking into taking online college courses. I'll let you know what I find out.
6 posted on 11/20/2001 6:25:59 AM PST by JD86
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To: testforecho
Well, hey, if it prevents the willy-nilly issuance of student visas, at least that's positive.
7 posted on 11/20/2001 6:32:28 AM PST by PBRSTREETGANG
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Well, hey, if it prevents the willy-nilly issuance of student visas, at least that's positive.

True. It could mean that universities would set up cash cow operations abroad. Then again, in the case of California, would the new admissions rules apply? (re: discarding academic merit).

8 posted on 11/20/2001 6:43:44 AM PST by testforecho
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Excellent point. Let the "students" stay in their home countries and send their money to the US. Would be a nice change, instead of sending all the "foreign aid" out and getting little or nothing in return.
9 posted on 11/20/2001 7:21:11 AM PST by JD86
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www.excelsior.edu

I found out about it from someone here at FR.

10 posted on 11/20/2001 7:50:22 AM PST by japaneseghost
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To: JD86
Another question: Is this program open to American citizens? <.i>

Yes it is open to American citizens.

These distance learning degree programs are pretty common, and for some reason they are one of the biggest secrets in higher education. I finally competed my college degree when I was 35 years old through one of these programs. At 35, there was no way I could have held down a full time job to support my family, and attended classes in a traditional college setting.

Here is a short list from Bear's guide of some of the colleges that offer distance learning degrees:

Auburn University
Boise State University
Brigham Young University
California State University, Dominquez Hills
Central Michigan University
Colorodo State University
Eastern Illinois University
George Washington University
Georgia Tech
Inidiana Univeristy
Kansas State University
Murray State University
Ohio University (one of my three finalist when I was evaluating programs for myself)
Syracuse University
Troy State University, Montgomery (one of my three finalist)
University of Alabama (one of my three finalist)
University of Idaho
University of Iowa
University of Northern Colorodo
University of Northern Iowa
University of Oklahoma
Washington State University

Another advantage of these programs is that they can save you a bundle of money over a traditonal, campus oriented degree program.

I would recommend getting a book by John Bear called "Bear's Guide to Earning College Degrees Nontraditionaly". He does a good job of rating programs, letting you know the ins and outs of various programs.

11 posted on 11/20/2001 7:52:59 AM PST by Brookhaven
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Another question: Is this program open to American citizens? I know many who would like to graduate from college but can't attend daytime classes on campus because they are working.

The answer is yes. The piddly little university in the town where I live in the midwest even has it (television and computer links to smaller college classrooms 75 miles away). They designers are even planning to do high school classes like that in the near future for students wanting to take classes not available in their area.
12 posted on 11/20/2001 7:58:53 AM PST by Plumrodimus
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My question here is "who funded her education"? I have looked into distance learning and earning credit for life experience. This is still a costly route. Are there that many wealthy individuals in China that they can afford the cost of an american college education? Something is not right with this picture.
13 posted on 11/20/2001 8:00:10 AM PST by NYer
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Is this program open to American citizens?

Very much so. I work nearly full time and am back in school in the evenings, but I also supplement those classes with distance-learning classes from another college. My husband is a college teacher and is working very hard to put together courses that will be internet-only, where anyone in the country will be able to take courses that very recently were exclusively considered to be hands-on. He believes that this is the direction for the future. I took an email-oriented class last summer and it was attended by students from up and down the east coast--and could have been taken by anyone anywhere!

14 posted on 11/20/2001 8:33:33 AM PST by twigs
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Thanks for all the great suggestions. I appreciate all the help. Happy Thanksgiving to all.
16 posted on 11/20/2001 9:26:04 AM PST by JD86
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Bear's Short List leaves out the Univerity Of Phoenix, which is 100% distant-learning - i.e., it has no campus at all! One of the TV newsmags did a story - and re-ran the segment with an update - sometime last year. All students earn their degrees, both undergrad and post-grad, online, and can study and do all course work on their own time - provided they keep up with the pace of the instruction. The University Of Phoenix, according to the Dean, IS fully-accredited in all of the academic areas in which it has course offerings.

This is not a new phenom - you can only look for it to grow as other universities, both bricks-and-mortar and 100% electronic, go online. BTW, the University Of Phoenix ain't cheap. Tuition fees are comparable with many schools that have actual campuses.

Michael

17 posted on 11/20/2001 9:37:07 AM PST by Wright is right!
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That was my short list, not Bear's.

I was just throwing out a list of schools to give people some idea how common this actually is.

I chose state or well known schools to emphasize the fact that this is a legitimate way to earn a degree. When I tell people I completed my degree this way, I often get a lot of strange looks. People ask if it's a real degree. Most of the people I run into still confuse distance learning with the old mail order diploma mills.

I looked at the University of Phoenix. Part of my criteria was to chose a state supported university, or a well know private school to avoid any questions about the legitimacy of my degree. My three finalist were the University of Ohio, the University of Alabama, and Troy State University, Montgomery. I finally ended up with the Troy State program. They were the most flexible, and they went out of their way to be helpful.

If I was 18 again, I wouldn't even consider going the traditional college campus route. I would get a job in the area of my interest, and complete my education via one of these distance college degree program. By the time I graduated, I would not only have a degree, but about 5 years of practical experience.

18 posted on 11/20/2001 11:26:04 AM PST by Brookhaven
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At first glance, this is somewhat annoying, but, I think it is overall pretty good.

First, you don't have communist Chinese students poking around the United States.

Second, it is a really efficient way to teach.

Third, it is cash money for the university.

Fourth, it gets us out of the liberal, "Poor little third world persons, you must all come here and be taught about everything here in America."

Horsefeathers, I say -- with the internet, online journals, and FedEx there is little or no need for international students coming from all over the world to come here, see our way of life, get jealous, hate us, spy on us, overstay their visas, then disappear into the woodwork.

Get them all the hell out.

19 posted on 11/20/2001 12:40:38 PM PST by caddie
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I'm taking online classes to earn a degree in Web Site Design. I could drive 80 miles one way to the campus, oooooooooor, I could take them online and save myself 3-4 hours of driving time each day. No brainer.

PS - Check out the website I'm building this quarter if you're interested: www.patriotzone.net.

20 posted on 11/20/2001 1:05:39 PM PST by Jen
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