The Truth About Islam

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[texson66]

Well PO,

Why dont you refute each and every statement then??

[texson66]

BamaG, You are right on! Excellent catch!

[TopQuark]

If you wish to defend Islam in a legitimate way, I look forward to reading your defense.

Thank you for your note. On this thread earlier, as well as other threads, I have reitetated at length my main premise: (i) all holy books are somewhat ambiguous and may be interpreted differently, (ii) we are at war with the "muslim church", not the religion: there is a distinction much the same way as the bloody crusades were instigated and blessed not by Jesus but by Church.

I do believe that the "muslim church" has declared war on us, and we should fight it without mercy. But to pluck out a few quotations from Quran and conclude something about the whole religion is not constructive and wrong. Thank you again for your note.

[Jackie222]

. Personally I find it downright creepy that the White House is hosting Ramadan prayer services and our president is breaking bread with them. Maybe that's just me.

It is not just you. We should not honor this evil religion.

[TopQuark]

To: sweetliberty . Personally I find it downright creepy that the White House is hosting Ramadan prayer services and our president is breaking bread with them. Maybe that's just me. No, the Pope is about to do the same thing.

It is not just you. We should not honor this evil religion.Forward, Christian soldiers --- onto Jerusalem!

Have we learned anyhing at all? When calling another religion evil has not reusulted in bloodshed? For at least a century, we in the West have not faught religious wars. Do you really want to return to that?

[MistyCA]

I am referring to this thread in general. I believe this thread is nurturing a hatred toward Islam and promoting ideas that I find no basis for. However, I understand where it comes from and I certainly do not defend the fanatics who have twisted Islam in order to create an excuse for terrorism. At the same time, I recognize that Islam is a huge religion with many followers who have found their own salvation within it. I do not. I could not. I do not recommend it for anyone. Nor do I find the need to defame it unfairly. And I do think much of what is said here is unfair and distorted. For whatever the reason, many people who follow Islam and find it a peaceful religion do not believe the things that are said in here. That is the important issue. Certainly there are those who find an excuse for hatred, but there are those in Christianity who are also finding within it an excuse for what I view as hatred.

[MistyCA]

Thanks. I appreciate your post.

[MistyCA]

Whoa! thank goodness I do not feel compelled to take the blame for each of my Christian brothers and sisters who have ever broken the law, taken another's life, or held radical beliefs that justified their acts.

[TopQuark]

Dear Mr. Jon Doe. I do appreaciate the civility and politeness of your replies. But, I am sorry to say, it is really hard to agree with you. Just one centence from #36:

This is a free country, Mr. Islamist-defender. He's an American, and he has the right to voice his observations. 1. Yes, it is a free country, but the government is not the only impedement to speech --- ignorance is too. But then again, only in our country is ignorance declared bliss. The whole point I made was that one should know enough before rushing to judgement, especially if it is a negative, hence costly, hudgement.
2. You referred to me as "Islamist defender." Not only I am not --- I feel we show them too much mercy. I will defend any religion mine or any other, against needless and unfounded attackes. I continue to annunciate a simle message: we are at war with the "Islam church", not religion. Jesus has not ordered the crusades; the Church did. There is a difference.

Here is another:
One need study little more than a newspaper these days, to realize that islam is rife with violence.Take any newspaper from 1880s, say --- before the socialists and liberals, and massive immigration --- when noone disputed that America was a Christian nation. Read about the killing of Indians, bank robberies, mureder and rape. What does that paper say about the message of Jesus? Nothing, right?

Today, too, we sohuld not blame holy books. For the murders of our people we should blame the individuals who have committed them and the muslim clerics who inspired these attrocities. Them we should eradicate from the face of the earth. But please stop at that: holy books have nothing to do with that.

Martin Luther was calling his followers to burn the sinagogues and kill the Jews. Where in the Bible has he read that? We have learned from our mistakes, and should not go back to needless prejudice.

I could address more lines from your post. But I hope you can see now that you (i) take offense to the things you think I said but I did not, and (ii) are a bit hasty in your coclusions.

[Patria One]

"I think rather that Muslims are generally an obsessive, compulsive, out of control lot, unable to restrain their baser instincts."

What a stupid, racist remark.

Many Americans are not misled by the virulent attacks of the few who are determined to start a war between Islam and the West.

Our president says its a war on Terrorism not on Islam or the Arab world.

What is your objective in promoting the terrorist cause?

If you think that its in Israel's best interest to have the United States dragged into WW3, just say so.

[MistyCA]

I have also posted well documented information about Islam which I doubt anyone here has bothered to read because it does not fit into the distorted view you prefer to own. I really have no reason to defend Islam because I don't even have many friends who are Islamic. My defense here is really in an effort to stop my Christian friends from the type of behavior I see going on here. This is a one sided view of a religion that you fail to see is not the view of many of those who practice that religion.

You know, bin Laden has interjected his sick interpretation of Islam into this battle for a good reason. He wants nothing more than a jihad against Christians and Jews! What better way then to get Christians and Jews riled up against half of the world! You all buy into that lock stock and barrel, armed with propoganda that seems to justify your cause. That is what I am against.

[Patria One]

Go to earlier documents and news reports circa 1939.

[MistyCA]

You are absolutely right. I had to check it out myself because of the distortions I saw and the fact that I was in an argument elsewhere with a person who accused me of knowing nothing about Islam. So I read and checked and checked some more. I have concluded that what is being said here is not truth, but rather a distortion of facts meant to inflame and justify another kind of hatred. One that belongs to us. What ever happened to the old saying, "Don't believe everything you hear or read." Don't we all wish that those who have called Christians all fanatics would understand that it isn't true? Those who attack Christians use twisted statements from the Bible and our people to support their attacks. What is so different from that then what I see going on here? What ever happened to "Do unto others....?" Or will I hear that Muslims don't count?

[MistyCA]

And up to now we thought you might have a congenital defect.

Hmmmm. And you profess to be a Christian? This truly sickens me.

[Romulus]

Strangely, I've also heard repeatedly that Christian Arabs do not "call God Allah."

Can you shed any light on this?

[imperator2]

Islam is a violent, and hateful religion against non-believers, or even against believers of slightly different slants. Just check on the numerous bloody battles among pilgrims even in Mecca during the haj over the past fifty years.

Fortunatly there are millions of Moslems throughout the world who do not take their religion too seriously or literly. These Moslems are wonderful people like everybody else.

The fanatical believers, especially the Arabs and Iranians are vicious, angry sob's.

[JeepInMazar]

The word for God in the Arabic Bible is Allah. For verification of this point, please open this link and see the Arabic script from Genesis 1:1 as one example: http://www.gospelcom.net/ibs/bibles/arabic/PDF/OT/GENESIS.pdf

The Arabic New Testament does not use the same word for Jesus as the Koran does, however. The Quran calls him "Isa", while I believe the Arabic Bible calls him "Yeshua".

[JeepInMazar]

see post #77

[MistyCA]

Oh, you bet your sweet bippy I have ranted and raved against people I know who stand in support of the fanatics who crashed into the trade center. I have battled with a total idiot pacifist from Germany and a fundamentalist Muslim from Iran, and I stand up in support of the USA, our military and my right to display my patriotism on a daily basis. This has absolutely NOTHING to do with who I am or what I believe in. It has everything in the world to do with something that I see happening within the US that is not in the best interest of any of us. But then, who am I to try to interject some reason in the midst of fanatism of another sort?

[sweetliberty]

"has anyone ever done a comparison of Mormonism and Islam?"

Interesting you should mention that. As I was reading this piece myself I was struck by the similarities and parallels. Several years ago I did extensive research on Mormonism and found it to be built on little more than the narcissistic delusions of an over-sexed con man and soothsayer who preyed on the vulnerablities of the weak-minded. Of course the Mormons themselves are forbidden from reading material that would expose the truth about the foundations of their religion. I wonder if the same is true of Islam, which is considerably more oppressive than Mormonism.