[daves_brother]

I should have realized by your question that you were probably not Methodist. If you had been, you may have recognized a difference between "The Methodist Church" (which is UK, in this instance), and the "United Methodist Church" (which is the church in the US, although they are often referred to as simply "Methodist".).

Or at least Dighton's post of "Smashing time promised at Methodist services for women" from the Great Britain site would have answered the question. I didn't stop to think that it would not be general knowledge that the Methodist Church and the United Methodist Church are separate organizations. I apologize.

shed a dim light

Even a dim light might help some of them. Sorry, couldn't resist.

[Graewoulf]

No apologizes needed, on FR we learn and grow.

Now, now. There may be an FR from Berkley.