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To: Lent
I agree with you that the claim is not that there was no mixture. The problem is that some people want to misinterpret it to mean that. I have actually been aware of studies showing that the various disparate Jewish populations, even some of the African Jews, have similar Y-chromsomes. However the improtant thing is that we're talking of relative purity, not absolute purity. Mixing surely happened.

"There have been confirmatory studies on the mitochondrial chromosomes published in the magazines Science and Nature which came to the same conclusions. It is beyond debate at this point."

That would be interesting to see. So far I have only seen Y-chromosome studies.

I think that again the important point is that these studies do not show absolute purity. They only show relative purity. These studies show for instance that Ashkenazi Jews may be genetically closer to Middle Easterners than European Gentiles. But by the same token they show they are closer to European Gentiles than are Middle Easterners. So mixing is part of the equation.

I just object to the claim that Jews are 100% pure. This is clearly preposterous for there are Ashkenazic Jews with rather Nordic characteristics as well as black Jews with Negroid characteristics. Surely it is impossible to claim that both the Ashkenazic Jews and the black Jews are 100% racially pure descendants of the same ancestors. They couldn't possibly have diverged that much in only 2,000 years. Thus there must have been some mixing. The only debate is as to the degree of mixing. Even the proponents of the Khazar hypothesis believe that some Jewish priests went to Khazaria.

25 posted on 11/19/2001 4:27:31 PM PST by Marduk
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To: Marduk
African Jews, have similar Y-chromsomes. However the improtant thing is that we're talking of relative purity, not absolute purity. Mixing surely happened.

Actually, the study above confirms that the Ethiopian Jews who Israel opened its doors to were not of the same gene pool noted in commonality with the Oriental, Sepahardic, Ashkenazic Jews and other Middle Easterners. Hence, they were converts. This does fit the Biblical "Table Of Nations" which indicates the Blacks were descendants of Ham and the Jews and Arabs, Shem.

Insofar as the Khazar thesis, I think it is plainly obvious now that it was a gross overstatement by Koestler in his "The Thirteenth Tribe". No doubt some admixture in Eastern Jewry but not to the extent claimed by Koestler in any fashion.

28 posted on 11/19/2001 4:35:44 PM PST by Lent
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To: Marduk
as well as black Jews with Negroid characteristics

I always heard that the Ethiopian Jews were the descendents of King Solomon and the Ethiopian woman described in the Song of Solomon. Or was it David and the queen of Sheba? Now I'm getting confused. I guess I had better read the Song of Solomon again, I haven't visited that little book in years.

35 posted on 11/19/2001 4:57:04 PM PST by epow
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