Posted on 11/19/2001 3:41:35 PM PST by Sabramerican
But the child wouldn't be a 100% pure descendant of the ancient Israelites. In reality the child would be a 50% descendant of the ancient Israelites. Repeat the process a few times and you could end up with a population that is 10% descended from the ancient Israelites claiming to be 100% pure.
I had heard that the argument Cain and Abel had in the field had to do with birthright. Since they were twin brothers, who would get the birthright? Cain said because he was out first, he gets the birthright. But Abel argued that because he came out second, it stands to reason that he was the first one put in (as in the last pickle in the Jar was the first to be put in), therefore he should be given the birthright. As a result of this argument, Cain slew his brother.
Right. Good scenario. All you have to figure out is that throughout history Jewish woman had illegitimate children with Gentiles- unknown to their husbands and raised them as Jews and the resulting male children married wives who did the same.
Write a screenplay. Will do lunch.
You can "very much doubt" it all you want but the fact of the matter is that the ancient Israelites spent hundreds of years in Egypt and were slaves. There were black slaves as well. It is entirely possible, indeed, I'm going to suggest very likely that the Cohen gene could have aslo found its way through Kohath's heirs apart from Aaron, in the black population. You rejecting this process is unreasonable and unwarranted. You don't reject other equally reasonable alternative explanations and this is clearly one.
It's not strictly about genes and a direct line -- although I have no doubt that there is a core direct line... but rather it is a large group that is bred around this direct line. Some breed all the way out of the line, others breed themselves back towards the line, while some stay completely in the line.
I reject it because the Lemba seem to be too black for that. Even if there were Negro slaves in Egypt and Jews mixed with them I still wouldn't expect them to be so black as to be indistinguishable from sub-saharans. If the Lemba looked like mulattos or so I would consider it.
Reconsidering, if there was a large group of Negro slaves in Egypt and Jews mixed among them in a manner similar to that which might have happened in sub-saharan Africa it could be a remote possibility. It it strikes me as the most unlikely possibily. It's quite convenient that the only black Jews would have chosen to emigrate to sub-saharan Africa than anywahere else. It's also convenient that none of the white Jews chose to emigrate to sub-saharan Africa. I just don't buy it.
That was just an extreme example attemping to show the fallibility of genealogies.
This is eminently reasonable.
A great deal of outbreeding isn't necessary. The Jews have been in diaspora for 2,000 years. If only %1 of the Jews in each generation engage in outbreeding and raise their kids as Jews, over a period of 2,000 years the Jewish population could end up with a high proprotion of Gentile genes. Over a long period of time a very small amount of outbreeding can produce the effect I describe. This can account for why Jews tend to resemble the people amongst which they live while at the same time still maintain some genetic distinctiveness.
This is very weird, and I don't believe it's true, but there is one school of thought which holds the British royal family, including the Spencers (Princess Diana) are the descendants of the Tribe of Judah. Supposedly, a mohel (Jewish ritual surgeon) was invited to perform a circumcision on William and Harry.
I have heard this from a number of people, including Orthodox Jews, although I find it hard to take seriously.
Not to me. Remember you don't know how dark any of Kohath's other heirs were. The other heirs could easily have the characteristics passed on. Your rejecting it is unreasonable in and of itself.
Reconsidering, if there was a large group of Negro slaves in Egypt and Jews mixed among them in a manner similar to that which might have happened in sub-saharan Africa it could be a remote possibility. It it strikes me as the most unlikely possibily. It's quite convenient that the only black Jews would have chosen to emigrate to sub-saharan Africa than anywahere else. It's also convenient that none of the white Jews chose to emigrate to sub-saharan Africa. I just don't buy it.
No.Remember anyone of the Kohathite heirs could have done so. This is not unreasonable in the least. Especially if THAT Kohathite group was DARKER and thus considered themselves more related to the African population than to the Israelites. There are many other reasons I could conceive of why THAT group chose Africa rather than crossing into the Promised Land (they might even have left when they found out they'd end up wandering for forty years in the desert!).
I am off to study the technical side of this a little more. The article about "cohen genes" talked about "genetic markers" not genes. And it also mentioned chromosomes. These are 3 different terms and I presume they are vastly different animals.
I am off to study the technical side of this a little more. The article about "cohen genes" talked about "genetic markers" not genes. And it also mentioned chromosomes. These are 3 different terms and I presume they are vastly different animals."
When they talk of chromosomes they are talking of the Y-chromosome. It is significant because it passed only from father to son.
The way they get the "cohen markers" is that they take people who are Cohens and look at their Y-chromosomes. They look for what genes they have in common with each other that they don't have in common with the human population as a whole. What they have in common is what they mean by "Cohen markers". This commonality then supports the idea of common ancestry on the male line.
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