[Leesylvanian]

Didn't you read any of the 300+ replies in Friday's "Lincoln was not elected" thread of which you were a part? It was accepted by both sides that Virginia, New York, and possibly Rhode Island all had secession clauses in their ratification documents that were never denied by Congress; and, the first serious discussions of secession happened in the northern states.

[Ditto]

It was accepted by both sides that Virginia, New York, and possibly Rhode Island all had secession clauses in their ratification documents that were never denied by Congress; and, the first serious discussions of secession happened in the northern states.

It was not accepted by me, and I'm not sure who did 'accept' that. Where in those clauses was the word 'secession' used? Al I read were clauses that predated the Bill of Rights that were the equivilant of the 9th and 10th amendments.