Illiteracy and ignorance were long standards for education in the south. These things we northerners eventually just came to accept, particularly after the KKK ran off all the teachers we paid to go down and help y'all out
LOL!!! Hold on, let me stop laughing < /wiping tears from eyes> Let's see, exactly how the north felt shall we?
To protect themselves from the dangers posed by free blacks, nonslave states began early in the nineteenth century to pass laws against black immigrants from slave states. These black codes, as they were called, showed up in the South AFTER the Civil War, BUT THEY BEGAN IN THE NORTH. Indiana and Ohio statutes were typical; NO free negroes were allowed to enter the state or own property in the state. Illinois used a different approach. Blacks could come if they posted a $1,000 bond. There were laws against blacks assembling "for the purpose of dancing or reveling" that carried a $20 fine. Illinois had a tradition, dating back to its territorial period, of restrictive and exclusionary legislation against blacks, culminiating in the 1853 black law that in effect barred black people from residing in the state.. lincoln never spoke out against this law. Oregon, a latecomer in the union, in its 1859 constitution prohibited blacks from coming into the state, holding property, even making contracts or filing a lawsuit...wasn't just the border states that suffered from Negrophobia. In Conneticut, Prudence Crandall, a Quaker, set up a small school to educate black children. It was against the law to do so, and she went to jail. When the leader of the abolition movement held a meeting in Boston and distributed his publication, the Liberator, a lynch mob formed and he barely escaped with his life.---Adams, p130Man it must have been just horrible for those northern folks. To have so many Southerners in their legislatures to pass laws, then go to Boston, form mobs to harass an abolitionist, and then not only to pass such a law in Conneticut(that's a northern state isn't it) but to also get another person elected as sheriff to put that poor teacher in jail. Gosh, so many Southerners up north to get into positions of power, makes you wonder where all the 'real' northerners were at during this time < /sarcasm>
But what did lincoln think of these people? Hmmmm..wait I've got a quote from the Tyrant himself!!
When asked if it was all right to have Abolitionists with the Republican party, he replied in the affirmative, "as long as I am not painted with the Abolitionist brush"---Johannsen, Lincoln the South, and SlaveryI will proclaim emancipation, entirely, or partially, or not at all, according to whichever of these measures shall seem to me best for the Union---Civil War Quotations, Pennsylvania, 1995
lincoln could have cared less about the slaves, from the ass's mouth shall we say, as evidenced in these two quotes. What's worse by the second one is he has deemed all by himself that not only what course is to be declared, but he chooses the course. Gosh, I guess I better read the Constitution more. I thought there were three branches of the government to decide the nation's course. But it was all over slavery. Okey-dokey
LOL. The South before the war had it's onw black codes called slavery. Any white man could kill any black for any reason at any time, and provided he owned him, the state would compensate him for the trouble and the loss. Stop dreaming.
Indiana and Ohio statutes were typical; NO free negroes were allowed to enter the state or own property in the state.
Some obscure law never really enforced. By 1860, these two states had nearly as many free blacks (and not one slave) as Florida had slaves. How do you account for that? Perhaps they moved in during the night?
Illinois used a different approach. Blacks could come if they posted a $1,000 bond.
Since you have dated any thing, we must guess. The 1000 dollars is a giveaway though, as Federal Law after 1850 meant that any white with a Black found on it could be charged with harboring a slave, and the penalty was 1000 dollars. Many of these laws were enacted to placate the bastard southern flesh mongering barbarians, but they were never enforced by the states themselves.
There were laws against blacks assembling "for the purpose of dancing or reveling" that carried a $20 fine.
Probably still are. If you have a loud enough party the cops will come for you too. Whoopee doo, and you equate that with the right to void all contracts or kill a white man for marrying a black! Wierd. That's weird.
Illinois had a tradition, dating back to its territorial period, of restrictive and exclusionary legislation against blacks, culminiating in the 1853 black law that in effect barred black people from residing in the state..
Same thing. Many awful and horrifying incidents occurred under the Fugitive Slave Act and most good folk were appalled and disgusted. The laws were on the books to placte the slavers and to discourage the flesh mongers from coming North to abduct free blacks back into horrid slavery. The Federal flesh mongers had unlimited compensation for their troubles from the Federal government, and this was indeed abhorrent to the free people in the North.
lincoln never spoke out against this law.
It was not enforced consistently by any means. Mostly it was enforced in communities along the border as they were largely populated by black hating southern racists who had moved out of the south to avoid the economic collapse and state governments with few civil rights. It did hold down the black population some, but Illinois still had a black population proportionately larger than Massachusetts by 1860.
Oregon, a latecomer in the union, in its 1859 constitution prohibited blacks from coming into the state, holding property, even making contracts or filing a lawsuit...wasn't just the border states that suffered from Negrophobia.
The Oregon government under 'Old Buck' was a railroad job to make the state slave so that southern dominance of Congress would not be lost. Hence the BS constitution and laws which were overthrown by the free citizens after Lincoln's election.
In Conneticut, Prudence Crandall, a Quaker, set up a small school to educate black children. It was against the law to do so, and she went to jail.
She was not sent to jail, but she was harrassed out of the state by some morons. This happened in the 1830's, and afterwards the state apologized to her for the extremely bad 'southern type' behaviour of a few bigots and gave her a lifetime pension to support her work and herself until her death many many years later. It was a rare case.
When the leader of the abolition movement held a meeting in Boston and distributed his publication, the Liberator, a lynch mob formed and he barely escaped with his life.---Adams, p130
Nice reference. Given that blacks were free and full state citizens in the state by law from 1780 on, it's a bit of twist, even for a trash fabricator of junk books like Adams. No names, no dates, no facts just fiction.
But what did lincoln think of these people? Hmmmm..wait I've got a quote from the Tyrant himself!!
When asked if it was all right to have Abolitionists with the Republican party, he replied in the affirmative, "as long as I am not painted with the Abolitionist brush"---Johannsen, Lincoln the South, and Slavery
I will proclaim emancipation, entirely, or partially, or not at all, according to whichever of these measures shall seem to me best for the Union---Civil War Quotations, Pennsylvania, 1995
Lincoln was a southerner. Like many hundreds of thousands, his family moved north to find freedom. The concepts of the founders were rather obscure to him in his early days, but he gradually learned to become more civilized. He never became a Abolitionist, and no Abolitionist ever pretended that he was, but it was clear that he was not just some simple southern racist. In many ways, one could argue that the best thing that ever happened to blacks in this country was his assasination. In no way did Abolitionists count him among them as one of them, but they did find him a practical man to deal with.
lincoln could have cared less about the slaves, from the ass's mouth shall we say, as evidenced in these two quotes. What's worse by the second one is he has deemed all by himself that not only what course is to be declared, but he chooses the course.
Lincoln did not believe that segregation was practical or possible, though by the end of the war he thought it desireable. Like I said, he was a southerner. So much so that he did not even run on the Republican ticket in 1864.
Gosh, I guess I better read the Constitution more. I thought there were three branches of the government to decide the nation's course. But it was all over slavery. Okey-dokey
Yes, indeed it was over slavery. It was over the destruction of freedom by illiterate overbearing psychopaths, of the destruction of prosperity by a leacherous and defunct lazy people, and of the destruction of the dream of the founders by a southern dominated federal government which believed not in democracy but in slavery, rigged elections and control by armed militia.
It was a glorious revolution by a God fearing and morale people for the soul and future of a country with the potential to be a great nation instead of a hopeless failed anachronism. The revolution is not completely over, as you stand in testimony of that fact, but it is slowly being won. It has been a long road, and it will continue.
Flat out wrong and your source is a lie. Here is the Ohio Black Code from 1804 in its entirety.
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Section 1. Be it enacted by the General Assembly of the State of Ohio , That from and after the first day of June next. no black or mulatto person shall be permitted to settle or reside in this state, unless he or she shall first produce a fair certificate from some court within the United States, of his or her actual freedom, which certificate shall be attested by the clerk of said court, and the seal thereof annexed thereto, by said clerk.
Sec. 2. And be it further enacted , That every black or mulatto person residing within this state, on or before the fifth day of June, one thousand eight hundred and four, shall enter his or her name, together with the name or names of his or her children, in the clerk's office in the county in which he, she or they reside, which shall be entered on record by said clerk, and thereafter the clerk's certificate of such record shall be sufficient evidence of his, her or their freedom; and for every entry and certificate, the person obtaining the same shall pay to the clerk twelve and an half cents. Provided nevertheless , That nothing in this act contained shall bar the lawful claim to any black or mulatto person.
Sec. 3. And be it further enacted , That no person or persons residents of this state, shall be permitted to hire, or in any way employ any black or mulatto person, unless such black or mulatto person shall have one of the certificates as aforesaid, under pain of forfeiting and paying any sum not less than ten nor more than fifty dollars, at the discretion of the court, for every such offense, one-half thereof for the use of the informer and the other half for the use of the state;and shall moreover pay to the owner, if any there be, of such black or mulatto person, the sum of fifty cents for every day he, she or they shall in any wise employ, harbour or secret such black or mulatto person, which sum or sums shall be recoverable before any court having cognizance thereof.
Sec. 4. And be it further enacted , That if any person or persons shall harbour or secret any black or mulatto person, the property of any person whatever, or shall in any wise hinder or prevent the lawful owner or owners from retaking and possessing his or her black or mulatto servant or servants, shall, upon conviction thereof, by indictment or information, be be fined in any sum not less than ten nor more than fifty dollars, at the discretion of the court, one-half thereof for the use of the informer and the other half for the use of the state.
Sec. 5. And be it further enacted , That every black or mulatto person who shall come to reside in this state with such certificate as is required in the first section of this act, shall, within two years, have the same recorded in the clerk's office, in the county in which he or she means to reside, for which he or she shall pay to the clerk twelve and an half cents, and the clerk shall give him or her a certificate of such record.
Sec. 6. And be it further enacted , That in case any person or persons, his or their agent or agents, claiming any black or mulatto person that now are or hereafter may be in this state, may apply, upon making satisfactory proof that such black or mulatto person or persons is the property of him or her who applies, to any associate judge or justice of the peace within this state, the associate judge or justice is hereby empowered and required, by his precept, to direct the sheriff or constable to arrest such black or mulatto person or persons and deliver the same in the county or township where such officers shall reside, to the claimant or claimants or his or their agent or agents, for which service the sheriff or constable shall receive such compensation as they are entitled to receive in other cases for similar services.
Sec. 7. And be it further enacted , That any person or persons who shall attempt to remove, or shall remove from this state, or who shall aid and assist in removing, contrary to the provisions of this act, any black or mulatto person or persons, without first proving as hereinbefore directed, that he, she or they, is or are legally entitled so to do, shall, on conviction thereof before any court having cognizance of the same, forfeit and pay the sum of one thousand dollars, one-half to the use of the informer and the other half to the use of the state, to be recovered by action of debt, qui tam , or indictment, and shall moreover be liable to the action of the party injured.
Source: http://afroamhistory.about.com/library/blohio_blacklaws.htm
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The Ohio Law in no way prevented free blacks from entering or residing and in fact protected those individuals from Southern bounty hunters who often snatched legally free blacks for sale into slavery. It was passed to accomplish three things. 1. To prevent a mass influx of run away slaves from simply swimming across the Ohio river from slave territory in Virginia and Kentucky and prevent confrontation with those states. 2. To prevent slave owners from a defacto establishment of slavery in Ohio by shuttling their slaves across the river and calling them hired hands when on the Northern side. 3. To prevent slave catchers from running loose in Ohio and grabbing freed black citizens and selling them in slave markets. The penalty for that is the most strict in the entire code.
The same site also has the Black Codes from many states as well as the Jim Crow laws. Read those and tell me what you think of the South's respect for constitutional rights. The corrupt legislatures there had no more respect for the Constitution after the war than they did before.