ABRAHAM LINCOLN: AMERICA’S GREATEST WAR CRIMINAL

Southern Caucus ^ | ? | Ron Holland

[southland]

Why did General Grant wait till the war was over to get rid of his slaves?

[PoorMuttly]

"History shows us that a fair and honest discussion of Lincoln's wartime actions will not be possible as long as the Washington political establishment remains in power."

History did not mention the Internet. This is our forum, and museum, and printing press. It is possible now, and we are doing it.

Thank you for this post. It is good for Americans to discuss everything of significance to our country, and the world, and to do it honestly, openly, and with all of our intellectual resources, even the more seemingly questionable ones. It all plays a part, and is a part of the human equation, and condition.

May Freedom continue to ring....loud and clear...and forever.

[Aurelius]

"The framers' intention was a permanent union of the states."

So what? Whether or not that was true, how can one generation be able to inflict its will in this way on a future generation.

It is as simple as this. Any new generation has the right to reject the rules established for its existence by a previous one. That they should follow the procedures established for doing that would be desirable for the continuity that it provides. But the situation that they face may dictate otherwise. In 1860 the Southern states tried to act as they thought appropriatre.

[Aurelius]

Huh?

[Aurelius]

Was Sie sagen ist alles Pferdscheissen, oder einige kliene Teilen Stierscheissen.

[Aurelius]

Well, you probably know more German than I do.

[clamper1797]

I don't know about all the twists and turns of Lincoln politics BUT I've always enjoyed his logs

[Aurelius]

It's a very slow night. I think I'll go watch TV. Just midnight here, think I can catch an NYPD Blue rerun. Beter than nothing, but not much.

[clamper1797]

I quart whiskey

I party night with the boys

.... I freed WHO ??????

[goodieD]

finally, the truth~! About time someone deflated the myth of the "great emancipator" once and for all. So the poop hits the fan on this one..oh well... anyone who can't handle the truth is no better than a liberal.

[Elihu Burritt]

Confederates fought for the right to steal the fruit of other men's labors. Lazy bums and traitors all.

[Elihu Burritt]

Why did General Grant wait till the war was over to get rid of his slaves?

Grant manumitted his slaves before the war. The slaves you refer were in the care of his wife, but she did not have title to them. They had been lent to her by her father, and until the war ended he had the rights to them. If Grant had manumitted them, he would have owed the money to his father in law. Besides, Grant was in territory where if he let them go free, they would have been picked up and put in labor camps. As they were house servants and not field hands, this would have been cruel.

[Cruising Speed]

Sign me up for the committee to horse-whip Ron Holland!

[sam I am]

Man! Its time to get a life!

[Aric2000]

I am going to jump in here for a second to make a point and then I am going to back out of it.

If you and I have a contract, and you break that contract, does that mean that I still must abide by the contract anyway, even though you are the one that broke the agreement in the first place? NO, if you break the contract, then I have a right to back out of that contract as well.

Same, same, if the federal government( the contractor) goes beyond its constitutional powers, (the contract between the states and the federal government) then the state or states(the contractee)have the same legal right to back out of that contract as well.

If the federal government goes beyond the limits as set forth in the constitution, then the states have a right, if not the respoinsibility to sue for damages, if this does not work, then the state has the right to back out of the contract. or as some would say, secede from the union.

There, I'm done, you guys go play with that for a while.