Newly Ordained, Popular Rochester Priestess Says Her First "Mass"

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[biblewonk]

These four points are absolutely tied together. That is why all true Protestants confess that the papacy is the very Antichrist.

Now you're putting words in my mouth. I am a Christian not a true protestant. Being a protestant is nothing, being born again is everything. I agree that Catholic doctrine is a total mess but so is the doctrine of a lot of other religious groups like JW's, Masons, Mormons, Islam, Hinduism. Catholicism is unique in how it is sooooo close to being Christian. It contains all Christian doctrine but it is within a tangle of man made religion making it undiscernable.

[Unbeliever]

Antichrist:
I asked you for the earliest, I can't tell which you think that is. So far as I can tell, the earliest are from the Reformation, correct? Why do you buy a doctrine that wasn’t in existence until 1500 years after Christ? How can you claim it was in the Bible, when not a man uttered it for 1500 years of the Bible’s existence? Sorry, it is a man-made belief that is extra-Scriptural AND completely outside any measure of Christian tradition.

I JOHN 2:18 ¶ Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
I JOHN 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would [no doubt] have continued with us: but [they went out], that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
I JOHN 2:20 ¶ But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.
I JOHN 2:21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.
I JOHN 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
I JOHN 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].
I JOHN 2:24 Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
I JOHN 2:25 And this is the promise that he hath promised us, [even] eternal life.
I JOHN 2:26 These [things] have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.
I JOHN 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

II JOHN 1:7 ¶ For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
II JOHN 1:8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.
II JOHN 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

[Chemnitz]

I didn't put words in your mouth. In this age of the One World Church people have forgotten the Protestant doctrine of the papacy being the Antichrist. Several people posting should have spent more time diagraming sentences with Sister Mary of Perpetual Obligation. They respond to sentences never written and misunderstand plain English.

I agree with you that Roman Catholicism presents an impressive illusion of being the Christian faith. The Church of Rome will not have the Gospel until it repudiates the doctrines of Trent, Vatican I and II.

[Aristophanes]

Since you haven't got the faintest idea of what "infallibility" is, maybe you should shut the hell up and go spread your apostacy elsewhere.

[biblewonk]

"the Protestant doctrine"

I've never heard it as a formal doctrine of anyone who is in a non-catholic church. I've read dozens of doctrinal statements for fundamental bible based churches and never seen it as a formal doctrine.

I don't mean to be argumentative because there is no one more offended by Marian doctrine than me. But I don't want to see a man-made doctrine become part of Christianity. That would kind of make us guilty of the same thing wouldn't it.

[Rock_em Sock_em Traditionalist]

This is response to your post #136.

SAINT LOUIS MARY DE MONTFORT was not a Pope, his devotional writings do not belong to the Deposit of Faith of the Catholic Church. In fact one could find some questionable statements in the writings of other great Catholics, including St. Thomas Aquinas and St. Augustine. If you ever crave to legitimately discuss the Catholic Church’s beliefs you may look up the Catechism of the Catholic Church with the whole text and/or search engine available online.

The true allergy to the Mother of Christ of many Protestant Christians has been a big puzzle for me. How would you approach the Biblical texts of Gen.3,14, “Then the LORD God said to the serpent: ‘…I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; He will strike at your head, while you strike at his heel’”, or of Luke 1,48: “Mary said: …from now on will all ages call me blessed”?

The Greek and the Roman Catholic Churches highly respect Mary as one who is “blessed among women”.

[Aristophanes]

It's based on the fact that the apostles, hand-picked by the Lord Himself are only male -- despite the fact that women often play honored roles in the New Testament. Furthermore on a more symbolic level, the priest acts as an Alter Christus (another Christ) who acts as Husband to His spouse, The Church. It is impossible for a woman to act in the role of husband - feminists and members of NOW notwithstanding.

And finally, see: 1 Corinthians 14:34

Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

[Rock_em Sock_em Traditionalist]

The whole text is at:
http://www.nccbuscc.org/catechism/text/

The search engine is at:
http://www.christusrex.org/www2/kerygma/ccc/searchcat.html

[csistrueblue]

Did not Christ perform his first public miracle, the turning of water into wine on the request/encouragement of his mother?

[Romulus]

But I don't want to see a man-made doctrine become part of Christianity.

Such as, I don't know, sola scriptura, perchance?

[AmericaUnited]

Furthermore on a more symbolic level, the priest acts as an Alter Christus (another Christ) who acts as Husband to His spouse, The Church

Ah yes, the preist is an "another Christ". Just too funny! And you are going to try to lecture me on spreading utter baloney?! ROFLOL!

maybe you should shut the hell up and go spread your apostacy elsewhere.

Spoken like a "true disciple". With "believers" like you, who needs pagans!

[patent]

One of the dangers in butting into a conversation well in progress is that you entirely miss the point. We were discussion the earliest man to believe that the Pope was the antichrist, not the earliest reference to the term period. You may think those verses support your view, but the fact is there wasn't a man alive who agreed with you until 1500 years after the verses were written.

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[AmericaUnited]

I commend you for the most execellent posts! Clear, concise, and above all, based on scripture.

[F16Fighter]

And at this Parish can we expect men to now become nuns?

If that's the case, San Francisco gay parades will never be the same...

[Romulus]

If there is one sacrifice, and if the Eucharist is truly the Body and Blood (and we have the Lord's word for it that it is), then how can the one offering it not be closely identified with Christ?

Are you objecting to a supposed moral equation of the priest with Christ, or do you just harbor an unthinking hostility to syllogism as a work of the devil?

[patent]

Sometimes "truth" hurts, but its still truth nevertheless. People who put their trust and salvation in the hands of a man and his chruch [sic] are surly [sic] in for a big surprise.

When that Man is Jesus Christ you are probably in good shape, and that is where Catholics place their trust.

When the Catholic Church stops presenting itself as a Jesus based Christian organization...I'll stop correcting the issue.

Great, another person who knows our faith better then we do! Tell me something, if every Catholic in the world believes that his faith is in Jesus Christ, how is it that you know better? From the Catholic Mass, said daily, everywhere:

Glory to God in the highest, and peace to his people on earth. Lord God, heavenly King, almighty God and Father, we worship you, we give you thanks, we praise you for your glory. Lord Jesus Christ, only Son of the Father, Lord God, Lamb of God, you take away the sin of the world: have mercy on us; you are seated at the right hand of the Father: receive our prayer. For you alone are the Holy One, you alone are the Lord, you alone are the Most High, Jesus Christ, with the Holy spirit, in the glory of God the Father. Amen.

And:

We believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, of all that is seen and unseen. We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten not made, one in Being with the Father. Through him all things were made. For us men and for our salvation he came down from heaven: by the power of the Holy Spirit he was born of the Virgin Mary, and became man. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate; he suffered, died, and was buried. On the third day he rose again in fulfillment of the Scriptures; he ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and his kingdom will have no end. We believe in the Holy spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son. With the Father and the Son he is worshiped and glorified. He has spoken through the Prophets. We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church. We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins. We look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.

This is what we believe, and who are you to tell us we believe otherwise? Your arrogance is both blinding and wrong.

When that organization finally admits that they do not attest to the teachings of Christ or view the bible as the word of GOD...then I'll stop.

They do to. The Church is quite clear that the Bible is the unerring Word of God.

When the Catholic church admits that they actually worship a different god and embrace a doctrine other than the one present in the bible...then I'll stop.

Why on earth would the Church admit that? It isn’t true.

Until then, I will continue telling the truth, to counter the blaphemous lies of the catholic church.

You claim we are not a “Jesus based Christian organization.” That is blatantly false, and you have been provided proof of that. To continue lying about us is the spirit of the antichrist. It is you who wound God. If you disagree with us about doctrine, fine, go disagree. But don’t lie about what we teach.

Before you make absurd comments,

LOL. Did you just say that?

Look at the catholic church and tell me are they Bible oriented, or pagan oriented. Are their ceromonies found in the Bible or are they "modified" Pagan cermonies ? There is nothing evil about the truth...only following a lie.

Are you telling me you can’t find our ceremonies, like Baptism and the Mass, in the Bible?

You have the right to worship as you please...you just don't have the right to lie about it and expect to go unchallenged.

LOL. Exactly. You can worship as you please, but stop lying about Catholics.

Catholic Church murdered more Jesus based "Christians" than any other enity in the history of the world....Historical facts is not "bashing".

Not even close to true. There are Catholics who have killed other Christians, but Stalin alone put them all to shame, and the Muslims aren’t far behind him. And you should not forget your kind has murdered more then a few Catholics in turn.

If hearing the truth offends you...then stay where you are, your in good company.

With you?

READ the Bible and then tell me your Christian !

I’ve read it. I’m a Christian.

Being Catholic is like voting for Bill Clinton and calling yourself a Conservative. Its ok NOT to be a Conservative, just as it is NOT to be a Christian , just don't lie about it.

No, it is not OK to not be a Christian. Christ is the Truth, the Light, and the Way. It may be your choice to be one or not, but it is not OK.

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[RobbyS]

But it's not a problem for you Robby because according to your doctrine, the Catholic Church has perfect interpretation and understanding of the Bible. No, the Catholic Church has always taken to heart Our Lord's admonition not to try to guess about His Second Coming. Only enthusiasts like the Montanists and Millerites try to decipher words that, judging by their failure, have a meaning hidden from us. More important is to be prepared personally, for death comes like a thief in the night.

[patent]

I commend you for the most execellent posts! Clear, concise, and above all, based on scripture.

Especially the part where he claims Catholics don't believe in Christ, Scripture really states that doesn't it? Plus he has all that support in the real world for this claim, I mean who can doubt him when he cites to no more then his own bigotry?

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[RobbyS]

Your quotes from John would seem to apply to any teacher of false doctrine, or heretic, not some grand "son of Satan" type.

[biblewonk]

The true allergy to the Mother of Christ of many Protestant Christians has been a big puzzle for me. How would you approach the Biblical texts of Gen.3,14, “Then the LORD God said to the serpent: ‘…I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; He will strike at your head, while you strike at his heel’”,

My bible has 'it shall bruise' not 'He will strike'. I see that verse as describing the enmity between mankind and what ever the seed of Satan is. The seed of Satan could either be the unsaved or demons or both, probably both. Since his wound is more fatal I see a hint at who the ultimate victor will be. I also see that Man plays a part in the victory. That part could either be the works of the saints that are foreknown or it could be the work of the Lord as a Man.

The big thing is that when I look at it I am not desperately trying to defend a doctrine that has no real scriptural evidence at all. When I look at scripture I see the Lord Jesus Christ for the most part. He is the one I look for because He said that it is about Him, even here in Moses writings.

or of Luke 1,48: “Mary said: …from now on will all ages call me blessed”?

She is blessed and every Christian knows that she was given the blessing of bearing and raising the Lord Jesus Christ. It is when we start adding the fantasy that goes along with the Catholic version of Mary that bible based Christians take issue. Major issue.