Flight 587 Video Shows 'Puff of Smoke' in Sky

Newsmax ^ | November 17, 2001 | Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff

[thinking]

For my money; this incident is similiar to the Japan Airways 747 crash in the mid-eighties...with the JAL flight, the rear pressure bulkhead ruptured, and the cabin pressurized air filled the vertical stablizer with immense volumes of high pressure cabin air, which in turn "poped" the vertical stablizer completely off the air frame....in this case I suggest that a small bomb placed in the rear of the aircraft could have achieved the same results.....

[Chad Fairbanks]

You're going to have to work on your attitude if you want to hang around here. May I suggest bitter aggresion?

I tried that once - all I ended up with was a crappy song I wrote called "Let's invade Berkely"... I decided that Bitter Aggression was not my forte'... ;0)

[The Sons of Liberty]

An explosion is a problem to the NTSB and the airlines, because it shows that even the enhanced security measures put in place after 9-11 do not gurantee safety. If it is shown that it was an explosion and a terrorist act, then the airline industry is in serious trouble.

[El Gato]

Has there been a prognosis on the light data recorder?

Yes, the manufacturer was able to fix the circuits which read the data. The NTSB has the data, but the FDR data cuts off well before the CVR recordings. Of course that in itself tells you there was trama to the tail area. If only some of the data cut off early, you'd guess that signal/data cables from some areas were damaged, but others were still functioning. If it all cuts off, the damage must be close to the FDR, or even to the FDR itself. They, NTSB have said the data shows a .3 g lateral accelleration, first to one side then to the other, which could be consistent with several different scenarios.

[nicmarlo]

An explosion is a problem to the NTSB and the airlines, because it shows that even the enhanced security measures put in place after 9-11 do not gurantee safety. If it is shown that it was an explosion and a terrorist act, then the airline industry is in serious trouble.

Yes, exactly. But, I fear the greater problem: not admitting a security breach. How can security breaches be fixed if "they don't exist?"

[Crowcreek]

Proof of mechanical breakage. Yep, mechanical breakage most certainly was involved, and these photos prove it. Those composite structures which attached the tail fin must have broken by mechanical means, causing the tail to separate -- Thanks-

[Chad Fairbanks]

Just move along, nothing to see here! Let's Roll! Go buy a car, take a trip, go to the malls!

Sorry, but I havn't seen very many of those lately, and needed my fix... ;0)

[Blueflag]

Your thinking is just a little bit sideways (pun intended).

If the aircraft yawed violently to the left, the VS would be 'snapped' off to the left. Also, in the event of horzontal shear, with the tail ripped off, I'm not sure what the yaw axis is, and whether 'wind' force from the side would yaw a tail-less A300 right or left. Not sure anyone knows.

[Silvertip]

If it is shown that it was an explosion and a terrorist act, then the airline industry is in serious trouble.

It's actually much, much worse than that. The effects spread instantly past just the airline industry to the whole US (and world) economy.

One, just one anthrax incident at a mall would essentially end the holiday shopping season. On top of a depressed economy, the effects would be catastrophic.

[Rokke]

"Hundreds of witnesses saw that missile, "

Another lie created by conspiracy nuts. And before you say differently, why don't you provide your source for that statement and somewhere to read the witness accounts.

[Blueflag]

SO could loss of rudder function, consistent with the airframe shaking AND the behavior of the aircraft in the air. If this incident had occurred 6 mos. ago, would you have reached the same conclusion? Look at the evidence. Sharpen Occam's razor.

[concerned about politics]

What really gets me is the fact that they're making those American citizens that saw the explosion look like absolute liars, and I don't care for that tactic.

Those who saw the TWA 800 get hit have never gotten over it. It's like a bullet to their brain.

So, what's the sanity of a few hundred people if it aids the economy, eh?

What if some of you folks had seen it, and nobody believed you?

[Blueflag]

Interestingly, the newsies are not smart enough to ask the DURATTION of the lateral accelerations, which would help debunk the explosion theories and reinforce the wake theories or point to rudder/VS deflection. Facts help. The newsies should learn to ask better questions. But, these are the guys who insist on calling Daisy Cutters FAEs. Ingnorance is no longer bliss, it is career-enhancing in 'journalism.'

[Blueflag]

DURATTION = DURATION. ahem.

[Thud]

The engines being thrown off in a spin would result in fuel leaks which could ignite. Burning fuel sometimes smokes, especially if rubber or plasticized fittings are involved.

So there are lots of possibile explanations. I remember posts early on stating that the engines being thrown off was proof of a bomb or missile.

[concerned about politics]

Another lie created by conspiracy nuts. And before you say differently, why don't you provide your source for that statement and somewhere to read the witness accounts.

Use your search engine. Ready for an education on flight TWA 800?

[Rokke]

Except that this airplane was only 3000 feet or so above sea level. Not a whole lot of pressurization going on at that altitude.

[Twodees]

Y'know, Ken sounds very shacking up. ;-)

[concerned about politics]

which would help debunk the explosion theories and reinforce the wake theories or point to rudder/VS deflection. Facts help

Or visa versa! It may do the opposite as well.