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Mark of the Beast on Fast Track
11-17-01 | omenseer

Posted on 11/17/2001 5:11:48 AM PST by omenseer

Bush briefly discussed the ID card option with British Prime Minister Tony Blair, according to insiders. "I can tell you this, the president is very reluctant [to issue a national ID card]," a top White House source said on Sunday. "But we must look at all options." Just as House Democratic Leader Richard Gephardt [D-MO] says Congress should quickly move to open debate on security measures such as a national ID card. "We are in a new world," Gephardt said. "This event will change the balance between freedom and security." The Clinton Administration then extracted the various pieces from the various bills, two of which were illegally passed, and assigned the task to implementing a national drivers license (a clone of the European Union national ID card) to the National Transportation Safety Board. The internal passport will go into effect on October 1, 1999. In 1996 when Congress passed the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act. certain guidelines found in Section 656 (b) of the act. Federal agencies will be required to prohibit the use of state drivers licenses beginning Oct. 1, 2000, unless they comply with the federal standards. The new licenses must use the Social Security number as the driver's license number, for example. The act also calls for digitized biometric information to be a part of each license, or "smart card." Former Secretary of Defense William Cohen said Americans will be forced to make "choices between security and civil liberties." NBC's Tom Brokaw said, "We're going to have to reconsider a lot of our freedoms because of our attack." Representive Frank D. Lucas (R-OK) said, "If we were going to be absolutely safe, we'd have to restrict people's freedoms to the point that it wouldn't be America anymore."


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Free Republic
KEYWORDS: billofrights
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To: omenseer
The internal passport will go into effect on October 1, 1999.

- huh?

41 posted on 11/17/2001 7:18:28 AM PST by Verax
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority
"..the government is becoming less accountable while it takes away more of our freedom. They are quickly moving toward being our prison guards. Neither major political party now supports the constitution in practice. "


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42 posted on 11/17/2001 7:20:10 AM PST by hoot2
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To: Texas Yellow Rose; 2sheep
Literal or spiritual seals? You decide.

That's a very nice post, being 'just the facts' for the reader to read and discern, without interpretation/spin. Bravo!

I liken Scripture to a finely woven tapestry. Each thread is an integral part of the pattern, and multiple threads serve to complete the picture and also to strenthen the entire cloth. Thus, there are many 'layers' ~ literal, spiritual, metaphorical, mathematical, etc ~ and they all work together to reveal 'the big picture'. Often people argue over ideas and interpretations, when there is actually more than one correct answer. 'Difficult verses' is a euphemism for, 'this theory contradicts a whole bunch of Scripture, but we won't let that stop us from selling it to you'.

43 posted on 11/17/2001 7:24:27 AM PST by Thinkin' Gal
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To: anniegetyourgun
Regardless of whether or not you think the mark is literal or figurative, I don't plan on being here for it. However, if you're suggesting that I've already taken it or that I'm destined for hell because I don't take your position on the tribulation, then you've clearly come to sow seeds of dissention among the brethren.

I absolutely do not suggest you have taken it. I do know my Bible.
I know all Apostles who spoke of the "time of the end" spoke of it to occur in their lifetime. Either they were liars or it did take place back then.
I choose to believe the latter.
44 posted on 11/17/2001 7:26:10 AM PST by NATE4"ONE NATION"
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To: Verax
I know the date is off because the time was not right. But the executive order was written in such a way that if it does not pass in the committee, it will come up again and again the following years. You must remember it was written by Slick Willy.
45 posted on 11/17/2001 7:33:20 AM PST by omenseer
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To: NATE4"ONE NATION"
The world will be saying peace and safety, China, Russia, the Mideast, boogey bears will tame down and join humanities bright future. But it will all be a shaky house of cards, hard to control, and the anti-Christ can only maintian control of this restless sea of politics and ideologies for a mere seven years before the last battle breaks out.

Get back with me in a couple of years, like I said, time will tell.

46 posted on 11/17/2001 7:34:04 AM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: anniegetyourgun; Thinkin' Gal; 2sheep
Immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days........
47 posted on 11/17/2001 7:37:07 AM PST by babylonian
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To: MissAmericanPie
Get back with me in a couple of years, like I said, time will tell.

Best solution to this problem!! I just hope America itself can survive over a couple more actionless Christian voting cycles!!
48 posted on 11/17/2001 7:38:22 AM PST by NATE4"ONE NATION"
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To: babylonian
Of those days...?
Are we on the same page or am I stretching it?
49 posted on 11/17/2001 7:39:33 AM PST by NATE4"ONE NATION"
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To: oceanperch
"I would take the mark for you and others who need to be free as long as possible.

I pray that you won't come to regret what you've said.

50 posted on 11/17/2001 7:44:36 AM PST by itsinthebag
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To: NATE4"ONE NATION"
Well, I don't know. What page are you on?
51 posted on 11/17/2001 7:45:21 AM PST by babylonian
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To: anniegetyourgun
"As a pre-tribulationist, I'll not worry my pretty little head about it. I don't plan to be around here for those years.

Amen annie! I'm with ya!!

52 posted on 11/17/2001 7:45:33 AM PST by itsinthebag
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To: babylonian
That it already took place in those days. The days Christ said it would.
MATT 24:34 Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away till all these things take place.
53 posted on 11/17/2001 7:48:40 AM PST by NATE4"ONE NATION"
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To: anniegetyourgun
The USDA hasn't required them YET but Micro chips are highly recomended and I suspect will be mandatory shortly in all Kennel dogs. So far I think the work great, but I won't be shooting myself up; ever.
54 posted on 11/17/2001 7:57:44 AM PST by Emmanual_Goldstein16
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To: anniegetyourgun
"As a pre-tribulationist, I'll not worry my pretty little head about it. I don't plan to be around here for those years."

You beat me to this one. Right - there's no reason for worry to those that are in Christ Jesus, with the exception of worrying about those people who are not.

55 posted on 11/17/2001 7:57:57 AM PST by Paulie
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To: Emmanual_Goldstein16
That's if the animal rights whackos don't eliminate us breeder/handlers altogether. It is, after all, a mission of theirs.....
56 posted on 11/17/2001 7:59:25 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: NATE4"ONE NATION"
In Matthew 24, Jesus is talking future, and is talking to ALL Christians, not just those with Him at the moment.
57 posted on 11/17/2001 8:04:10 AM PST by babylonian
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To: NATE4"ONE NATION"
Your vitriolic response reveals your heart. If that was supposed to be your Christ-like response, then you're light that is to be shining is equivalent to a tiny twilnkle bulb.

When the Bible says there will be a mountain split, I take it to mean that the mountain will be split. When it says that Jesus will return in the flesh, I interpret it to mean what it plainly teaches...that Jesus will return in the flesh. When it says that Jesus will reign on the earth while satan is bound, for one thousand years. I take it mean exactly that...not some liberal "oh Jesus is reigning in men's hearts"(If you believe that balogna, you've obviously never read Jer. 17:9). When the Bible says there will be a mark, then, then I take it for what it says...a mark...a distinguishing characteristic(to wit, a retnal scan and a thumbprint qualify). Fairly simple. We needn't make up fairytale allegories to accomidate any predisposed doctrines, or shallow belief in Him who is able to create ex nihilo. This posture is reminiscent of the Liar's first deception..."Hath God really said...". He just loves to cause us to doubt the clear Word of God. Once the process of allegorical interpretation begins, it becomes selective as to what is literal and what is allegory, leaving the Word to be comprimised by those who desire to read into the text (usually as a control mechanism), rather than allowing the text to speak plainly for itself.

If you choose to interpret the Bible in your mystical allegorical manner, you're welcome to it. The result of this is usually reducing the Omnipotent One to the tiny box that accomidates your cosmological views and leaves little room for Him to work in and through you as He desires to. Basically, walking by sight rather than faith.

...and yes...I'll keep my guns handy, thank you very much. Not that it's any of your businees! Maybe you can defend yourself with your million mom march flag.

58 posted on 11/17/2001 8:06:57 AM PST by woollyone
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To: Singapore_Yank
An excellent link, thanks for putting it up.
59 posted on 11/17/2001 8:07:20 AM PST by Lucky
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To: Texas Yellow Rose
"Literal or spiritual seals? You decide."

Literal

60 posted on 11/17/2001 8:08:12 AM PST by woollyone
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