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GOTTA READ THIS: Wolfowitz Shares Special Forces' Afghanistan Dispatches
Jim Garamone ^ | 11/15/01 | Jim Garamone

Posted on 11/16/2001 1:19:30 PM PST by Diogenesis

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To: cantfindagoodscreenname
Well, I'll take a stab a straightening things out:

Arabs are members of the original ethnic group for which Arabic (a Semitic language related to Hebrew, Aramaic and Syriac) was the dominant language. They originated in the Arabian peninsula and adjacent lands in what is now Jordan and Syria. With the rise of Islam they conquered and spread throughout North Africa and what is now Israel, Lebanon and Syria, Arabizing and largely Islamizing those lands. There are still identifiable ethnic minorities in some of those lands (Copts--who are also Christians rather than Muslims, Berbers,...)

The Persians, Afghans, Turks, Pakistanis, Bengaladeshis, Turkomens, Uzbeks, Tajiks, Azeris, Chechens, Abkhazians, Kazhaks and Indonesians mostly Muslims, but none are Arabs.

Among the Arabs from Palestine, Lebanon and Syria, though increasingly among Arabs who have emigrated to America, Canada or Australia, there has always been a sizable minority of Christians (mostly Eastern Orthodox, though in Lebanon with a fair number of Roman Catholics of various rites). (I am Eastern Orthodox, and though I am not an Arab, my bishop is. Or rather an Arab-American: his family came from a valley in Syria whose Arabic name translates as "The Valley of the Christians" because they have held out against the Jihad since it's beginning.)

Someone posted a link about turbans, so I will not say much, save to note that if you see a man with a large turban here in the U.S., he is almost certainly not a Muslim, and should be greated courteously as a friend: he almost certainly a Sihk. Sihkism is a monotheistic religion which arose in India and Pakistan in reaction against both Islamic absolutism and Hindu paganism. It was mercilessly persecuted by the Muslims. Its male adherent are required to wear beards and turbans, and to carry knives (usually small ceremonial ones here in the West, but in the lands of the faith's birth, ones suitable for self-defense). I believe that Sikhs are sort of practically-modified pacifists--they may only fight in self-defense, but perhaps someone more knowledgable could clarify that point.

81 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:42 PM PST by The_Reader_David
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To: Diogenesis
Outstanding. Thanks for the post.

More of this type information should be released by the Government, it harms no one and it helps people appreciate the bravery of those who serve us. God Bless and Protect them. We have never been served by better.

82 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:45 PM PST by Judge Parker
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To: Bigun; ImpBill
Thank You Both.
83 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:47 PM PST by pistola
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To: archy
It's a good bet that that snakeeater advisor helping those guys by pointing the air support the right way is a heavy weapons NCO....

There is no longer any such critter as a "heavy weapons NCO" on a team. Only "weapons NCO's". The caliber (no pun intended) of the weapons training had fallen off to the point where it was worse then useless until about 2 years ago,when some changes were made. The students were not only not being taught very much,but some of what they were being taught was wrong. Don't get me started on this. I can rant and rave for hours,and won't be able to sleep for a couple of days.

84 posted on 11/16/2001 1:21:48 PM PST by sneakypete
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To: cantfindagoodscreenname
Unfortunately, we will probably only receive accolades for the short term. There are too many dictatorships in the area, and these dictators have historically used us to give their people a common enemy, which unites their people to a common cause. This keeps the sheeples too busy hating us, so that they blame us instead of their government when their economy is bad or they are starving.

As I have said before, dictators fear us because we represent freedom, and freedom is contagious, and therefore threatens their power.

85 posted on 11/16/2001 1:22:07 PM PST by bjcintennessee
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To: Diogenesis
When in USAF basic training in 1979, my flight (platoon) was shown a film about (then) USAF Pararescue (now USAF SpecOps). My goals were different, but I was really thinking of volunteering. If I knew then what I know today, I would have joined. Would LOVE to be in this fight.
86 posted on 11/16/2001 1:22:08 PM PST by Yougottabekidding
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To: Diogenesis
Great post!! My son recently joined the Navy and it is good to see the caliber of men he will hopefully be aligning himself with.
87 posted on 11/16/2001 1:22:08 PM PST by bjcintennessee
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To: Diogenesis
Bump
88 posted on 11/16/2001 1:22:08 PM PST by AuntB
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To: AuntB
"Truly uncommon valor has been a common virtue amongst these men."

Howdy AuntB...OpieMUD

89 posted on 11/16/2001 1:22:09 PM PST by Mudboy Slim
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To: Diogenesis
Love the story and the pictures!
90 posted on 11/16/2001 1:22:27 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Diogenesis
Thank God we found a "few good men."
91 posted on 11/16/2001 1:22:27 PM PST by brat
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To: ImpBill
All they need are a few Swift Boats (PCF's) keeping the rivers under control!

Nam Vet

92 posted on 11/16/2001 1:22:42 PM PST by Nam Vet
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To: Spruce
We sure do! The First Cav!

Hey, I wanna believe you but the covered wagon and the swords (or sabers) kinda make me doubt. :)

93 posted on 11/16/2001 1:22:44 PM PST by BunnySlippers
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To: Tree of Liberty
Here's a nice one:


94 posted on 11/16/2001 1:22:44 PM PST by Godebert
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To: Apollo
Here's the light cavalry version:


95 posted on 11/16/2001 1:22:44 PM PST by Godebert
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To: Godebert
Is that a pompadour sticking out from under the bill of that guy's hat!? rofl! These guys will not be winning any style points from the fashion press.

Nice pic. Hope he kill lots'o'Taliban with that PK.

Early comment on personal weapons I read that stuck with me - Russians found out early on that Afghans with old bolt-action Enfields and Moisins could be a real problem, as they outranged Russians holding AK's. You didn't want to be 300-400+ yards from a guy with a bolt-action while you were holding an AK, unless you also had a way to bring crew-served weapons or at least a sniper (SVD) to bear on the opposition. Of course, the number of Afghans who could actually hit at those ranges is probably very small, but would *you* want to be the one testing their skills?

96 posted on 11/16/2001 1:22:45 PM PST by FreedomPoster
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To: Godebert
Cool, thanks for the pic. I wonder how much he'd want for it :)
97 posted on 11/16/2001 1:22:48 PM PST by Tree of Liberty
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To: Diogenesis
Horseback cavalry charge in the 21st century? Losing only eight to 125 tali-tubbies KIA in the process? Riding horses at full throttle against mortar and automatic fire? Mein Gott! These boys have more guts than you could string across a barb wire fence. Of course they were trained in better tactics by the best. Praise God and the US Special Forces!
98 posted on 11/16/2001 1:22:55 PM PST by wasp69
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To: pistola
Thank YOU!
99 posted on 11/16/2001 1:23:04 PM PST by Bigun
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To: Nam Vet
I was in the north; Da Nang, Phu Bai, Hue. However, my dad was CO of Task Force Funston with the 9th Inf at Dong Tap and had a Riverene (sp) Detachment there.
100 posted on 11/16/2001 1:23:05 PM PST by ImpBill
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