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Democrats Win on Federalized Airport Workers
NewsMax.com ^ | Thursday, Nov. 15, 2001 | NewsMax.com Wires and NewsMax.com

Posted on 11/16/2001 1:19:03 PM PST by Cacophonous

WASHINGTON – Fearing they might have to work over Thanksgiving, congressional negotiators Thursday reached a "compromise" on airport security that gave proponents of federalization nearly everything they wanted. One senior Democratic aide told CNN the deal was a "huge victory for federalization and a token gesture for privatization."

"For us it's a big victory because you're talking about five airports in the whole country not being federalized," the aide said. "Security companies may not be able to survive on only five airports."

House and Senate negotiators had been arguing over whether to make airport security workers and baggage screeners federal employees.

"I think we have an agreement," Rep. Don Young, R-Alaska, told reporters on Capitol Hill after meeting with Senate and House conferees who have been working for weeks to reconcile two bills passed by the chambers.

The House GOP conference met Thursday afternoon to discuss the agreement. House Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Ill., told reporters on his way in that he expected it to be accepted, even by conservatives who battled to kill the Senate approach.

"It's a victory for both sides" insisted Senate Minority Leader Trent Lott, R-Miss. He called it a "good agreement" that has the support of the White House.

The battle, which had grown increasingly contentious over the past week, raged between the unanimously passed Senate bill to federalize all airport security workers and a plan passed by the House to add federal supervision.

Under the terms of the deal, screeners will be, except in a few cases, federal employees, but some qualified airports might be able to retain private employees if they meet certain conditions. A broader opt-out program would be in place after three years.

The federal employees working at security checkpoints would fall under the Department of Transportation but would not be offered the same civil service protections as other federal employees, according to Rep. John Mica, R-Fla. They would be allowed to unionize but not to strike, he said. All employees would have to be U.S. citizens.

This deal, if it holds up through final floor votes, is much closer to the Senate approach.

House Majority Whip Tom DeLay and Majority Leader Dick Armey, both Republicans from Texas, led the fight against the ultimately successful Senate approach, apparently unable to change the bill substantially.

Republicans said federalization would expand the federal bureaucracy without any increased security benefits. They pointed to the incompetence of such federal agencies as the Immigration and Naturalization Service and FBI, noted that it would be much more difficult to fire government employees for incompetence, and said the Democrats wanted to add to their core of voters by increasing the government workforce.

Democrats and the Senate said that only federal law enforcement officers can protect airports.

Both plans were to be paid for through a flight surcharge and would allow the reinforcement of airplane cockpit doors to protect crews. The Senate version also would allow pilots to carry firearms at work, but it was unknown if that provision survived the conference talks.

Copyright 2001 by United Press International. All rights reserved.


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To: Digger
If you keep voting the same way each election I guarantee you will get the same results

Thats right. Keep voting for marginal candidates like Buchannan, Senator Smith in NH, Brent Schundler and the guy that lost in Virgina Gov race.

61 posted on 11/16/2001 1:19:11 PM PST by Dave S
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To: Cacophonous
There is no longer a republican party,

We have one party (the democrats) who will do anything no matter how despicable to gain and/or hold onto power

And another party (the pseudo republicans) so desperate to hang onto whatever dwindling power they still have left let the other party get away with it every time.

PATHETIC!!!

62 posted on 11/16/2001 1:19:11 PM PST by liberalism=failure
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To: michaelje
Some years ago I had to go to the DMV in New York City. There was a long, long line of people waiting for service. There was a large group of DMV personnel sitting at desks eating, talking to each other and talking on the phone. Finally, after about an hour on this long line, an executive type man shouted "Does anybody work here?". That got them moving. I never forgot this and hearing today's announcement about federalizing airport workers, I said to myself "That's it - I'll never fly again" - and I won't.
63 posted on 11/16/2001 1:19:11 PM PST by maxwellp
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To: engrpat
Bush has 87 % poll popularity and he lets the DemocRATS run the show? When he's down to a mere 51% Bush will have to let Daschel sit in his lap and do his talking for him.

This federalization is a total capitulation by Lott and the GOP.

64 posted on 11/16/2001 1:19:12 PM PST by RicocheT
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To: HamiltonJay
I know I am in the minority on this board on this one, but federalizing these workers is the only way, private industry under federal control is what we have had and look what its gotten? People fresh off the boat making $6 an hour can't speak english doing security! Profit motive for private industry in this matter will never allow adequate security, ever... because the private companies won't pay or train enough because the airports and airlines won't pay or train enough.

Do you really think the Dems are going to fire the current low income workers who are doing security at the airports. No way. They will just raise their pay, label them federal law enforcement officers, make sure the union dues are collected for the Union buddies and look the other way. If citizenship is a problem, they will run them through a crash program with the INS like Clinton did in 96.

65 posted on 11/16/2001 1:19:12 PM PST by Dave S
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To: maxwellp
Ive had the same experience at the DMV. Just wait until you see what a circus airports will become. Another pathetic moment for the nations Republican party.
66 posted on 11/16/2001 1:19:15 PM PST by michaelje
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To: Cacophonous
Oh well, treat them like the ,ilitary and they'll vote Repub in droves. On issues of national security, this cuts both ways for Repubs. The real issue is wasteful Demonrat socialsitic policies that have swollen over decades.
67 posted on 11/16/2001 1:19:16 PM PST by Liberals are Evil Socialists!
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To: HamiltonJay
I have come to my own conclusion on airport security, I don't fly any more. I have been on an airplane twice in ten years.

If I can't drive to get there I don't go.

I don't worry about security checks any more.

BTW remember what old patches you know who I am Kennedy did to that guard that tried to stop him from going thru the check point.

No think about it that checker was a federal employ.

BTW I am going to one of the first people to sign up for that new job.

Why shouldn't I suck at the teat the fedgov is going to provide for me?

Then it will take four years to fire me.

68 posted on 11/16/2001 1:19:18 PM PST by dts32041
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To: Cacophonous
If the idea of airport security is to provide for our common defense, then federalization is appropriate. Now, the issue about not being able to fire incompetent feds is valid, but really separate. We need Congress and the President to take the iniative to change the law to hold federal bureaucrats responsible--do your job right or get canned. This should be applied throughout the federal government and state governments--we'd all be far better off.
69 posted on 11/16/2001 1:19:18 PM PST by PeoplesRepublicOfWashington
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To: Cacophonous
Spare me this castration crap. This bill denies the workers civil service protection and allows airports to opt out. Less than a week after eating s*** for misjudgements on the war in Afghanistan, and you same people are pulling the same 'ol "the sky is falling bull".

Another thing...the pubs will gain seats in the 2002 elections.

70 posted on 11/16/2001 1:19:18 PM PST by arkfreepdom
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To: Dave S
Keep voting for marginal candidates like Buchannan, Senator Smith in NH, Brent Schundler...

I guess Mr. Schundler was so "marginal" that you couldn't even get his name right. Go Back to DU.
71 posted on 11/16/2001 1:19:27 PM PST by motzman
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To: HamiltonJay
I know I am in the minority on this board on this one, but federalizing these workers is the only way, private industry under federal control is what we have had and look what its gotten? People fresh off the boat making $6 an hour can't speak english doing security! Profit motive for private industry in this matter will never allow adequate security, ever... because the private companies won't pay or train enough because the airports and airlines won't pay or train enough.

You are in the minority, but you are not alone. I've been making similar points for the last two months.

There are federalized workforces that that work well. The current incarnation of air traffic controllers is my favorite example. They are federal, they have a union, and when one of them screws up, they go, and they go quickly. I understand why FReepers are against the federal unions in general, but so much of why they do and do not work has to do with how they are structured and put together in the first place. The FAA has a pretty good track record in this regard.

We wasted a lot of time fighting against federalized airport security, which was an inevitable conclusion. We should have been spending those resources making sure that these workforces were set up with the type of accountability that they need to be successful, and to avoid them becoming just another plodding bureaucracy.

I just hope it isn't too late.

72 posted on 11/16/2001 1:19:28 PM PST by ignatz_q
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To: Dave S
GOP for government/union control of education is why Schundler lost. So much for the vaunted 'private enterprise system'. Hell if the GOP believes in government so much, might as well federalized the nation. Might as well start with those protecting the country making missiles.
74 posted on 11/16/2001 1:19:28 PM PST by ex-snook
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To: Cacophonous
This is probably the last straw for me. I think I'm going to resign my membership in the GOP. For Pete's sake I might as well become a democrat for being in the GOP. Constitution party or Libertarian Party... here I come.
75 posted on 11/16/2001 1:19:29 PM PST by monkeyshine
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To: Cacophonous
Is there anything left to say? Weak, weak Republicans.
76 posted on 11/16/2001 1:19:29 PM PST by FryingPan101
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To: Cacophonous
how much will these new employees be paid? not mc-wages, thats for sure.
77 posted on 11/16/2001 1:19:29 PM PST by gfactor
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To: ignatz_q
I just hope it isn't too late.

Exactly why the Republicans had to make some deal to get this done! With no civil service protection I think folks are going to be surprised (in a good sense) with the product that we'll get. The air traffic controller position is a good example.

78 posted on 11/16/2001 1:19:29 PM PST by irishfest
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To: Dave S
Do you really think the Dems are going to fire the current low income workers who are doing security at the airports. No way. They will just raise their pay, label them federal law enforcement officers, make sure the union dues are collected for the Union buddies and look the other way. If citizenship is a problem, they will run them through a crash program with the INS like Clinton did in 96.

Pardon my previous post, as I'm a Schundler fan...

As for the above analysis, you are absolutely correct. For those worried about "security" and claiming that "protection" is the government's job, well then why aren't you all advocating military control of U.S. Airports? That would be the safest option, wouldn't it?
79 posted on 11/16/2001 1:19:29 PM PST by motzman
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To: NC Conservative
Looks like Trent Lott and the other spineless GOP have fumbled another one.

Oh how so very true. Another screaming liberal damnocrat temper tantrum, and these GOP Bozo's, who call themselves "the leadership" blow it again. And why on earth, as the majority, could they not come up with their own bill? We need new blood in there, fast.

80 posted on 11/16/2001 1:19:29 PM PST by kstewskis
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