I find it amusing that you would dare say this as the first posts of the shout-them-down corner have been:
Alouette: Barf alert
Inyokern: Left wing propaganda. The left hates Israel, even the Jewish left.
Alouette: Barf alert
MississippiMan: MegaBarf alert
Veronica: Leftwingnuts.
veronica: Shouldn't you Lefties be posting at DemocratUnderground or SmirkingChimp.com? LOL....
veronica: Most Jews in America, Liberal or Conservative, support Israel totally.
scooter2: Nothing worth reading here, move along.
[more crud from veronica and alouette]
marty60: PO is a Muslim symp.
sbertooth: [some biblical justification]
micheal2001: these stupid leftist Jews keep blaming Israel for not making peace
Need we continue?
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As for the historical record, it's not difficult for any thinking person to discern the broad outline, which is why I have always had a pro-Palestinian bais. These facts are:
1. In the 1880s, Zionists decided to carve a Jewish homeland out of Arab lands, displacing the inhabitants.
2. The inhabitants objected to this takeover, as they had a clear right to do so.
3. 700,000 of them wind up in refugee camps when said Jewish homeland is finally created over their objections.
4. More Palestinians wind up under occupation by the Zionists after 1967.
5. Israelis slowly strangle the rest of Palestine for the next 34 years.
The questions of how much killing was done by either side and who did what to whom to what time kinda pale when compared to these basic facts, don't they?
What I have learnt in the last two months relates to how much the Israelis stole and murdered to create Israel and how much the stories of Arab aggression since 1948 are fabrications. But even if all this is Arab propaganda, it's still changes nothing. You can't deny any of the basic facts I listed above. They are the underlying rationale for the Arab claim to Palestine and they are irrefutable.
Alouette: Barf alert
Inyokern: Left wing propaganda. The left hates Israel, even the Jewish left.
Alouette: Barf alert
MississippiMan: MegaBarf alert
Veronica: Leftwingnuts.
veronica: Shouldn't you Lefties be posting at DemocratUnderground or SmirkingChimp.com? LOL....
veronica: Most Jews in America, Liberal or Conservative, support Israel totally.
scooter2: Nothing worth reading here, move along.
[more crud from veronica and alouette]
marty60: PO is a Muslim symp.
sbertooth: [some biblical justification]
micheal2001: these stupid leftist Jews keep blaming Israel for not making peace
Need we continue?
Oh yes please do. The reason: you guys get on these threads and use endless diatribes (IFC for example) against supporters of Israel. Therefore expect to get back what you dish out. This is precisely what I stated to you will happen. Do think this thread is the first thread on this issue? Do you think this group has never been quoted before and dealt with repeatedly? If you do you've been living in a vacuum. Therefore, expect to get back what you pups dish out. And when it comes, don't whine.
As for the historical record, it's not difficult for any thinking person to discern the broad outline, which is why I have always had a pro-Palestinian bais. These facts are:
1. In the 1880s, Zionists decided to carve a Jewish homeland out of Arab lands, displacing the inhabitants.
2. The inhabitants objected to this takeover, as they had a clear right to do so.
3. 700,000 of them wind up in refugee camps when said Jewish homeland is finally created over their objections.
4. More Palestinians wind up under occupation by the Zionists after 1967.
5. Israelis slowly strangle the rest of Palestine for the next 34 years.
Despite your simplistic summary, none of the factual posts have been addressed in the above. Therefore, you claims are left wanting, specious, and blatantly false.
What I have learnt in the last two months relates to how much the Israelis stole and murdered to create Israel and how much the stories of Arab aggression since 1948 are fabrications. But even if all this is Arab propaganda, it's still changes nothing. You can't deny any of the basic facts I listed above. They are the underlying rationale for the Arab claim to Palestine and they are irrefutable.
Facts? What facts? Again, you're left without a single substantive response to these issues but will continue on with you vacuous diatribes.
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What is your problem with this? Are the subjects under discussion not radical leftist whackos? Are the comments of these self same Leftists on the topics of abortion, feminism, religion, homosexuality, affirmative action, "blame the USA' for 9/11, not regularly ridiculed and flagged for "BARF ALERT" here on Free Republic? Why should their views on the Mideast situation be given so much more credibility and reverence than their misguided notions of everything else?
Try this:
1. Jews were already living there in 1880.
2. They started buying more land (from those who were glad to sell it.)
3. Most of the land was uninhabitable and was owned by the Ottoman Empire, who lost it to the Brits.
4. More Jews and more Arabs started immigrating to the area as Jewish funds developed it. Both sides wanted it.
5. So the UN split it into two pieces.
6. The Arabs attacked the Jews and got their butts kicked again and again.
7. They say they want statehood but everytime it's offered, they attack again.