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The Origin of the Palestine-Israel Conflict
www.cactus48.com ^ | 2000 | Jews for Justice

Posted on 11/16/2001 1:16:15 PM PST by ExiledInTaiwan

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To: Harvard Man
It seems you didn't even address the last post and you're coming out with the Liberty issue already. LOL! Got any other anti-Israel themes? Rich, Pollard, et. al.? Come now, don't hold back Harvard.
441 posted on 11/16/2001 5:27:24 PM PST by Lent
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To: John_11_25
Why do you sound and smell like a skunk the more you post?
442 posted on 11/16/2001 5:28:30 PM PST by Lent
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To: damian5
I try to avoid the pitfall of compounding that ignorance to the tenth power with stupidity and bigotry.

Well it appears that you have failed. My statement stands. You posted a list of atrocities, naming only one against the Jews and attempting to imply that it was the only heinous act perpetrated against them in all of their history, and attempting to equate it with the single points you made about others. I have shown you why you are wrong. The Jews have been persecuted since the days of Abraham (4000 years ago), including the Holocaust, pogroms in Russia and Eastern Europe, slandered and accused of eating Christians and making matza with blood, the Crusades, the sacking of Jerusalem, the destruction of their temple not once but twice, exiled from their land, enslaved in Egypt, libeled in books such as The Protocols and in plays by Shakespeare, accused of being frauds and descendant of the Khazars, kicked out of their homes in Arab lands, segregated in Europe, turned over by "friends" and neighbors to the Germans, accused of having dual loyalties, the list could go on and on. Nothing bigoted about my statement at all. It is bigoted for you to ignore the inhumane and horrific treatment of the Jewish people through all of their collective time, which extends much longer than any other people's time. Again, my statement stands. You are either ignorant about Jewish history or intentionally deceptive in trying to minimize it, which is a form of bigotry in and of itself.

443 posted on 11/16/2001 5:40:37 PM PST by monkeyshine
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To: John_11_25; dennisw; Lent; Sabramerican; veronica
US 8 Billion dollars per years plus countless weapons.

Rofl. Every week that number gets bigger and bigger here on FR. The Jewish lobby must be really influential! Now they're up to $8 billion a year + countless weapons. It seems like yesterday it was only $6 billion including the weapons. If they could only get a few more Jews in congress they might actually make it $10 billion and unlimited weapons! Maybe we'll even give them some of our ICBM's... better write another letter to my congressman. He's a Jew, ya know.

444 posted on 11/16/2001 5:46:57 PM PST by monkeyshine
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To: monkeyshine
The Islam first crowd couldn't be bothered with facts. After all Islam is a religion of peace and tranquility and they ALWAYS treated their dhimmi with the greatest of love and respect.
445 posted on 11/16/2001 5:53:03 PM PST by Lent
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To: John_11_25
How can man hope to speak together and try to understand each other when we have people with your mindset on one side. You have to listen to the other person, with the sole purpose of trying to understand their opinion. Until you do that you are lost...

What was that you were saying?

446 posted on 11/16/2001 5:55:31 PM PST by monkeyshine
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To: Lent
Have to give it an acronym too: ISFC to differentiate from IFC? Got something better?

How about PIMPS? "Promoters of Islamic Megalomaniacal Propeganda".

447 posted on 11/16/2001 5:58:33 PM PST by monkeyshine
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To: monkeyshine
How about PIMPS? "Promoters of Islamic Megalomaniacal Propeganda".

Heah! That's good. A PIMP a day keeps the truth away.

448 posted on 11/16/2001 6:24:40 PM PST by Lent
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To: monkeyshine
"Have no mercy on the Jews, no matter where they are, in any country. Fight them, wherever you are. Whenever you meet them, kill them. Wherever you are, kill those Jews and those Americans who are like them..." — Dr Ahmad Abu-Halabia, a member of the "Fatwa Council" appointed by the Palestinian Authority and the former acting Rector of the Islamic University in Gaza, delivered in the Zayd bin Sultan Nahyan mosque in Gaza on October 13, 2000, the day after the lynching of the Israeli reservists in Ramallah, and carried live on Palestinian television.

What was that you were saying?

"Treat a man like an animal, then do not be suprised when he comes round and bites you on the ass". The Palestinians have been treated like animals for far to long, therefore change, or do not complain when your lef needs amputating.

449 posted on 11/17/2001 5:14:16 AM PST by John_11_25
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To: Patria One
Land bought by the Jewish National Fund was held in the name of the Jewish people and could never be sold or even leased back to Arabs (a situation which continues to the present)." That statement requires some clarification.

1. The Jewish National Fund was funded by Jews from around the world to make land available for Jews - the Arabs already had plenty. The amount of land in question was about approx 7% of the total land in Israel.

2. The land was purchased from Arabs and included swamps and the less arable land that the Arabs were happy to get rid of. The Jews got the land and the Arabs got the money. Now the Arabs want the land back after the Jews drained the swamps hundreds dying from Malaria in the process.

3. The Jews payed exorbitant amounts for the land often at 5 to 10 times the amount per acre as good Ohio farmland was fetching at the time.

4. The Israel Supreme Court recently overuled the JNF's regulation restricting lease of its land to Jews. The JNF does not sell land to anyone Jew or Arab. All Arabs now have exactly the same rights under law as do Jews.

450 posted on 11/17/2001 5:48:35 AM PST by anapikoros
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To: Donna Lee Nardo
I want to find something similar from the Palestinians' perspective...

Did you forget the sarcasm warning or are you serious?

It is from the Palestinian's perspective.

There is not a skerrik of evidence that this is published by Jews in Berkely or anywhere else for that matter.

My bet is that it's put out by the Palestinian Ministry of Propaganda and Misinformation.

451 posted on 11/17/2001 5:54:54 AM PST by anapikoros
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To: ppaul
No - only 33 pages - bummer - looks like I have to buy the book.
452 posted on 11/17/2001 6:19:08 AM PST by anapikoros
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To: freefly
Seems to me its pro-palestinians masquarading as Jews.
453 posted on 11/17/2001 6:21:55 AM PST by anapikoros
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To: ExiledInTaiwan
Yes. There were about 38,000 Jews surrounded by 500,000 Muslims, before the Zionist movement. It was peaceful and those Jews did not welcome the outsider Zionists coming and disrupting the peace. Also if you check the history, Muslim controlled Spain (Moors) was preferred by the Jews to the treatment meted out in Christian controlled parts of Europe, at that time.

Oh yes, if Jews live under Muslim rule, follow Muslim laws, pay the extra tax and do what they're told, the Koran says they can be allowed to live as dhimmis. Sure. Muslims are really quite tolerant as long as you do exactly what they tell you to do. But try and get free of them and they turn into Glenn Close from Fatal Attraction.

454 posted on 11/17/2001 6:38:25 AM PST by Anamensis
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To: equus
There is the UN investigation by Count Bernadotte which found that strategic massacres and deliberate deceptions had engineered a mass exodus--

Bernadotte was sent by the UN as a mediator not an investigator. I believe I'm fairly well read on the history of this era and have never heard of such an investigation let alone a report. Sounds to me its another fabrication but I'm happy to be corrected if you provide a citation.

455 posted on 11/17/2001 6:40:14 AM PST by anapikoros
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To: damian5
(Say, why don't you just think of Israel as a Jewish reservation?)

I have no need to, you have already done so, and in that thought process, we see you as you are.

Well, good! I hope you do see me as I am: a person who knows that the Jews need a safe place to live.

456 posted on 11/17/2001 6:43:01 AM PST by Anamensis
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To: John_11_25
(If Israel is trying to destroy the Palestinians, why have they given about 1,000,000 of them citizenship?)

The reason is: US 8 Billion dollars per years plus countless weapons. It would dry up over night if they went on a killing spree, so they do it bit by bit, but mostly in the mind, trying to kill the spirit.

Trying to "kill the spirit" by giving them citizenship? Trying to "kill the spirit" by indicating a willingness to establish a Palestinian state again and again? Trying to "kill the spirit" by treating Yassar Arafat like a dignitary instead of the thug he is? Wow, for being so intent upon killing the spirit, they sure are going about it in an inept way. You sound like one of those melodramatic feminists going on about how our patriarchal society demoralizes women by making them wear high-heeled shoes or something.

457 posted on 11/17/2001 6:50:03 AM PST by Anamensis
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To: dennisw; damian5; Lent
So, how do Muslims explain the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem being a Nazi sympathizer back during WWII?
458 posted on 11/17/2001 6:53:25 AM PST by Anamensis
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To: John_11_25
You have to listen to the other person, with the sole purpose of trying to understand their opinion.

When are YOU going to do that??

459 posted on 11/17/2001 6:55:14 AM PST by Anamensis
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To: Anamensis
So, how do Muslims explain the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem being a Nazi sympathizer back during WWII?

They blame it on the Jews. The umma will never take responsibility for its own history.

460 posted on 11/17/2001 6:58:30 AM PST by Lent
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