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The Democrats' Favorite Conspiracy Theory
Frontpage ^ | November 14, 2001 | Chris Weinkopf

Posted on 11/16/2001 1:04:36 PM PST by Mr. Mulliner

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To: Queen Elizabeth of Iowa
If I have my facts wrong in my Reply #20, I would really appreciate some FREEPER enlightenment on the subject. Am I defining "overvotes" and "undervotes" properly? If so, how can voter "intent" be devined without a crystal ball in either situation?

I know "overvotes" can also be produced by the classic vote-tampering technique known as the "wire" in which a sharp wire is inserted into a stack of ballots in the hole for the desired candidate.

21 posted on 11/16/2001 1:07:00 PM PST by Irene Adler
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To: Singapore_Yank
That was an excellent piece of information that John Lott wrote about. The main point that I remember from it is that black Republicans were about 50 times more likely to be disenfranchised by having their vote thrown out than black Democrats. Now take your average person who considers themself well informed and in the know and see if they know that

This is always my biggest concern. It is amazing how ignorant the average American is. Most people I know have no idea what went on in Florida. No idea at all. Their concept is that the Supreme Court ruled in Bush's favor. They have no clue why, no knowledge of what occured before that decision, and no clue why there was a controversy. They had a higher level of awareness last December but have not bothered to think about it since then.

These people are just waiting to be spoon-fed any propoganda the DNC and press will feed them.

Where is the RNC in presenting this stuff? Where are the RNC in making the argument that these 'overvotes' were spoiled balllots and probably the result of ballot tampering on the part of Democrats? I have'nt heard anything from the RNC. That fact alone has a smell to it. Why won't the RNC talk about it?

22 posted on 11/16/2001 1:07:06 PM PST by SmartEnough
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To: Singapore_Yank
I've been spreading a conspiracy theory around left wing sites such as Indymedia which is getting some traction. Anyone want to join in, the game is this: Pose as a Dominican. Say the new mayor of NYC, Billionaire Bloomberg, had his moneymen in the Mossad take down Flight 587 to send a message to people of color in the city to shut up. Point out that he is going to blame the crash on Muslims. A certain segment of the left wing menagerie eats this stuff up.
23 posted on 11/16/2001 1:07:07 PM PST by LarryLied
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To: Yehudi
What were the rules in place on the Monday before Election 2000?

By those rules, George W. Bush won a close race, despite the disenfranchising of 1500 military voters and the early call that cost him at least 8,000 votes (by the admission of Bob Beckel).

Sorry, but Bush won. The far left needs to go put some ice on their bruised ego.

25 posted on 11/16/2001 1:16:28 PM PST by hchutch
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To: hchutch
"It was either Hitler or Goebbels that used that line."

Actually, the originator was Lenin. But Goebbels got a lot of mileage out of it, as well.

26 posted on 11/16/2001 1:16:29 PM PST by okie01
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To: okie01
That sure puts the Dems in the position of following the advice of some shady characters, to say the least.
27 posted on 11/16/2001 1:16:39 PM PST by hchutch
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To: hchutch
"That sure puts the Dems in the position of following the advice of some shady characters, to say the least."

The Dems owe a great deal to their mentor, Vladimir Ilyich Lenin, and the precepts of dialectical materialism. More than anything, they have adopted Lenin's signal assertion:

"Everything is political!"

This charge, of course, places the political agenda ahead of all other considerations -- be they economic, social, scientific, educational, military or whatever. In my view, the leftists' politicization of every aspect of human life and affairs is their most perverse contribution.

By asserting that "everything is political", they have poisoned everything...

28 posted on 11/16/2001 1:17:03 PM PST by okie01
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To: Singapore_Yank
I don't think the dems can hope to use the Gore got robbed theme to appeal to swing voters. Even people who believe that Bush "won on a technicality," as I think one of the poll questions goes on this issue, won't care come 2004. They will care how Bush has done. If Bush is successful, he will win a second term. If he isn't, he won't. That simple. Of course, if he isn't successful and doesn't win a second term, then the dems will spin and spin that the reason he didn't is because he was "illegitimate." To the victors go the chance to write history, after all.

I do think that the dems willl use the Gore got robbed theme to motivate their base, both in 2002 and in 2004. I don't see how that can be avoided. Blacks are by and large still livid about this and will remain so. But even if Gore had lost "fair and square" in their minds, the democratic base was still going to be highly motivated, I think, because of Gore's win in the popular vote. About that, I've got to say how surprisingly wimpy Gore was on that score. I think that if I had been just barely on the losing end of the electoral college in the same murky way, but had won the popular vote, I would have more explicitly used my popular vote win to justify the recount. Plus I would have shopped for faithless electors. I would have gone all out to use every tool at my disposal, even if it meant discrediting the electoral college. That's what I really expected Gore to do. But he whimped out.

I suppose that if the dems nominate that stiff Gore again in 2004 -- though I'd be really surprised, since the party heavyweightss think he should have clobbered Bush -- his mere presence will raise the issue as "subtext" as loonies like to say and little will be directly said about it. (though you can imagine some journalist asking Gore in a debate whether he believes that Bush was legitimately elected. and Gore parsing his words too too carefully)

29 posted on 11/16/2001 10:30:16 PM PST by leftiesareloonie
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