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Even the Times is on board!
1 posted on 11/11/2001 6:49:42 PM PST by PianoMan
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Congratulations President-elect Bush!
58 posted on 11/11/2001 8:50:10 PM PST by afuturegovernor
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I just hope they keep whining and talking like the Un-American drek that they really are.

Bill Clinton tells us that today's terrorism is a result somehow of America's past sins like slavery and taking lands from Native Americans.

Hillary tells us that the tax rebate caused national security lapses and indirectly caused the terrorism.

Rush is right when he says liberals really get funny when they're desperate and powerless. Let them keep on talking.

60 posted on 11/11/2001 8:51:58 PM PST by jeep jeep
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BUSH WON???? YIPPEEEE!!! Break out the champagne! (Gee, time moves so slowly...it feels like it's been a YEAR since I voted....)
63 posted on 11/11/2001 8:58:54 PM PST by Allegra
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Good Heavens ! These people have waaaaay too much time on their hands. If there was ever any better evidence of what lemmings Duhmocrats can be than this one.... I can't imagine what it could be. Gore sent his little henchmen out to spread his preposterous tale, the party nitwits along with the press followed them right over the edge of the clift. They can make a career out of this if they like but Gore will still lose, he'll always be the loser, he is a loser.

President Bush is a winner. Congratulations President Bush. You've won again and again and again and again and again ....

66 posted on 11/11/2001 9:32:22 PM PST by Darlin'
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"Another complicating factor in the effort to untangle the result is the oversees absentee ballots that arrived after Election Day. A New York Times investigation earlier this year showed that 680 of the late- arriving ballots did not meet Florida's standards yet were still counted. The vast majority of those flawed ballots were accepted in counties that favored Mr. Bush, after an aggressive effort by Bush strategists to pressure officials to accept them. "A statistical analysis conducted for The Times determined that if all counties had followed state law in reviewing the absentee ballots, Mr. Gore would have picked up as many as 290 additional votes, enough to tip the election in Mr. Gore's favor in some of the situations studied in the statewide ballot review. "But Mr. Gore chose not to challenge these ballots because many were from members of the military overseas, and Mr. Gore did not want to be accused of seeking to invalidate votes of men and women in uniform."

Coulda shoulda woulda. Funny how the mainstream press was head over heels for Boies, now they are indirectly trashing him.

To this day, the Times ignores the U.S. District Court ruling (from Dec. 8 I believe) that would have given Bush as much as an additional 500 votes if not for the SCOTUS ruling. Looks like those who say Gore had the most votes ignored the military yet again. They're only protecting all of us right now.

"This is because the real crime was not that Al Gore may have won Florida...It's that the Republican Party and five Supreme Court justices didn't care what the actual results in Florida were, period!" - Buzzflash link to Prospect.org
This is EMBARRASSING. This spin was just disproven tonight and they're still on it! Do try and keep up. "Gore won 540,000 more votes nationwide. Just remember that." That's totally meaningless in a representative republic. Just remember that. Your man Gore said to get over it already. Just remember that. If you want mob rule, go start your own country.

Bush wins recount; Gore wins the moron vote

69 posted on 11/11/2001 11:11:39 PM PST by Croooow
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The article is pretty fair; the Times' headline is pretty lame (it should say Bush Still Wins Florida or something like that.)
71 posted on 11/11/2001 11:48:19 PM PST by NYCVirago
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: Were there any irregularities among the field workers? A: One of the 153 workers was found to be systematically biased in favor of Bush; she was fired her first day after coding 79 ballots. Another worker later came under scrutiny after publishing pro-Gore essays on the Internet, but a close look at his work revealed no systematic bias and his results were included. As for the rest of the workers, statisticians found that pairs of field workers agreed with each other 99 percent of the time in optical scan counties, and about 96 percent of the time in punch-card counties. Analysis also suggested males were slightly more likely than females to record marks for either major party candidate. Further, Republicans were slightly more likely than Democrats to record marks for Bush, and Democrats were slightly more likely than Republicans to record marks for Gore. The center concluded such findings did not invalidate the study.

From AP on vote counters. D

72 posted on 11/12/2001 12:07:56 AM PST by DISCO
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I just wrote a letter to the New York Times

Really, the Florida recount story should be broken as: "The Never Ending Story: the Story of the Results of the Florida Re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-count Has Broken. Again."

When will the recount issue end? When we find the answer to the question, "How many chads can a ballot-shucker chuck when the ballot-shuckers shuck them chads?"

Breaking news: we have anthrax scares, fears of a new attack, a war in Afghanistan, and the World Trade Center lies in smoking ruins, entombing the remains of thousands of innocent people. We have economic uncertainty, and job uncertainty.

George Bush won the 2000 election. Again. Gore lost the 2000 election. Again. The 2000 election is over and done with. Move on. We have the man we need to lead us in this terrible time. Let him continue to lead us.

76 posted on 11/12/2001 2:24:43 AM PST by cake_crumb
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Is "perky" Katie Couric in a tizzy yet? The Gorons are a little sad today.
79 posted on 11/12/2001 5:21:36 AM PST by NC Conservative
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Bill Shammon wrote "At Any Cost", the book tells how Algore and his army of lawyers tried to steal the election. It is the definitive account...read it.

September 11, horrible as it was, would be unimaginable under Algore and these subsequence weeks positively unthinkable.

81 posted on 11/12/2001 5:32:34 AM PST by yoe
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From Smartertimes.com

Return of the Chad

The New York Times today unleashes the results of its much-anticipated re-re-recount of some ballots in the Florida election and concludes that "Mr. Gore might have won if the courts had ordered a full statewide recount of all the rejected ballots."

"Might" is a pretty important word there. Mr. Bush "might" have won, too. The bottom line is that after spending $900,000 on this project, the Times and its partner news organizations are not much closer to finding out what they set out to find than they were when they started.

The key information in the Times package of information on this story comes at the end of a sidebar on how the ballot review was conducted.

The Times reports: "In many places, supervisors found it difficult to find all the ballots that were uncounted on election night, even by running them through the machines. The problem was worst in punch-card counties, as chads dislodged and undervotes suddenly disappeared. Even in optical-scan counties, though, supervisors were often unable to exactly replicate the undervotes and overvotes from the election. In all, the research center reviewed 175,010 ballots, more than 99 percent of the approximately 176,446 that were considered overvoted or undervoted in the certified vote total."

This confirms the Republican contention that running the ballots through the machines again and again degrades them and alters the result. And the discrepancy between the 175,010 ballots counted by the consortium and the 176,446 ballots that were rejected by election officials is 1,436. That is a significant variation between what happened on election night and what happened in the media recount, especially considering that under even the most favorable standard to Mr. Gore, he "might" have won the election by only 424 votes.

The Times editorial compounds the error by asserting, "It appears Al Gore might have carried Florida if he had successfully pursued a statewide manual recount of all 175,010 rejected ballots -- a strategy he never tried." But the "all 175,010" number refers only to the number of rejected ballots the New York Times and its partners in the press were able to reconstruct or find -- not the number on election night. Note the careful use, again, of the word "might." Mr. Bush "might" have won, too, given the uncertain and disorderly nature of any such re-re-recount operation.


A great review of the Times story, if you ask me...
82 posted on 11/12/2001 6:12:09 AM PST by Politico2
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"20 percent of the ballots from African- American areas that went heavily for Mr. Gore were thrown out because voters followed instructions to mark a vote on every page of the ballot. "

The "instructions" were given to them by paid Gore campaign operatives who were brought down from Florida to take people to the polls. The official written instructions were to vote only once in each race.

93 posted on 11/12/2001 10:02:17 PM PST by bayourod
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