[Lejes Rimul]

Jinnah was a great man and a visionary. He only backed out of the unified Indian National Congress when they refused to compromise on items of civil rights for Muslims. If, as you claim, Jinnah was a lunatic, then certainly it was Gandhi who hypnotized the Hindus.

BTW, you didn't answer my question: how will losing "the beauty of nature, trout fishing, big and small game hunting" destroy India?

[American_Patriot_For_Democracy]

Jinnah was a megalomaniacal tyrant, and akin to Hitler in his ethnic cleansing of Hindus from Pakistan. The massive ethnic cleansing of 1947 in Jinnah's Pakistan is an example of self-determination of an evil variety. Pakistan lived up to its name by becoming a "cleansed land" within weeks of independence. And now Kashmir is taking a leaf out of Jinnah's book. Self-righteous chanters of "self-determination" with direct Pakistani assistance seem well on their way to stamping out religious diversity from Jammu and Kashmir. Will we never learn the cruel lessons of history? The previous UN Secretary General Boutros-Ghali put it about as bluntly as could be: "If every ethnic, religious or linguistic group claimed statehood, there would be no limit to fragmentation. Peace, security and economic well-being for all would become even more difficult to achieve." Self-determination for a group must never sanctify the violation of human rights of another. Automatic self-determination, for whosoever shouts the loudest, is a sure recipe for tragedies like Kashmir. It is the greatest of evils to allow one person's self-determination to degenerate into his neighbour's extinction. Kashmir desperately calls out for respite from fanatical Pakistani terrorists who have turned the land into a living hell. Abraham Lincoln courageously faced down those that chanted "secession" to perpetuate the evil of slavery. We, too, must confront those that chant "self-determination" in heedless pursuit of Jinnah's evil ideology of religious apartheid.