[MHGinTN]

Askel, you've continued this perversion of fact about long enough, dontcha think?... (Besides ... the idea our federal government -- who slaughtered Americans at Waco and waged a "moral" war in Serbia -- can somehow discern Good from Evil a mere two weeks after using Scripture to defend their electing to fund the use of "excess" human lives for so-called humanitarian research and profit, is ludicrous.)

I am absolutely certain your intellect is sufficient to grasp the FACT that what Bush funded with federal dollars was research using the remains of already killed embryonic humans, but limited that funding to NO money for killing more embryos for research.[He can do little or nothing to stop private dollars employ in that heinous search; it is up to the somnambulent congress to act forthrightly, and that is one area that the president has neglected to demand work on).

The administration placed federal dollars behind research on cell lines derived from what were once living embryonic human beings, but made a vital distinction that NO FEDERAL DOLLARS would be used for further killing and exploitation. You are allowing your hatred for the Bush family and thus this administration to color your otherwise clear expositions. Give it a rest, Lady, the truth is not as dried in your coloration as you would have us believe.

Now you will no doubt insult me by accusing me of distracting from the theme you chose for this thread. ... That would be typical of your current methodology, sadly. You have raised the specter I just addressed, whether you agree with my assessment or not, and that was unnecessary of you, and certainly grows beneath you more and more.

[Askel5]

"Already-been-killed" embryos?

So ... if they've "already been killed" they were never "created equal" in the first place?

I forget to split that hair correctly, don't I?

Embryonic stem cells testing has had NONE of the truly extraordinary successes of adult stem cell testing. Adult stem cell testing has resulted in NONE of the rank horror shows ensuing from the use of unborn stem cells: no Parkinson's patients ending up worse off ... no one dying because they've suddenly got bone and hair growing in their brain.

So what's the point of perpetuating this Loser technology which operated SOLELY on the calculated manufacture and destruction of innocent human life?

Why attract the "Best and the Brightest" to Uncle Sam's embryonic stem cell research unless no Private Corporations find ESCR as "hopeful" as Laura Bush, Nancy Reagan, Christopher Reeves and Mary Tyler Moore and -- like your typical NEA grant -- this money is rather part of an agenda than real science?

I guess we'll just wait until Uncle Sam hits PAYDIRT with his "already been killed" embryos and we'll see what happens then.

Not like we have a choice ... only Mothers wanting to kill their children have that sort freedom in America these days.