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To: austinTparty
At what point do you believe that a fetus actually becomes human, just out of curiosity?

The fetus of a homo sapian become a person when it take its first breath of air into its lungs. This is moment it recieves a soul. The soul being the thing that deferentiates a person from every other living thing in the Universe including homo sapian ebryos and fetuses.

44 posted on 12/03/2001 4:17:09 PM PST by pcl
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To: pcl
So, then, by your logic, abortion is okay up until the very moment the baby is fully out of the mother's body?
45 posted on 12/03/2001 4:27:59 PM PST by austinTparty
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To: pcl
Where does it 'receive' this soul from?
46 posted on 12/03/2001 4:55:45 PM PST by constitutiongirl
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To: pcl
The fetus of a homo sapian become a person when it take its first breath of air into its lungs.

The soul is the substantial form of the body. A substantial form becomes actual when a compound substance is individuated materially. A soul comes into being at individuation. Individuation occurs at fertilization.

When you understand the Aristotelian/Thomistic definitions of substance/accident, and form/matter you will be able to see more easily that your position is incoherent.

64 posted on 12/04/2001 3:07:47 AM PST by Aquinasfan
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To: pcl
The fetus of a homo sapian become a person when it take its first breath of air into its lungs.

How convenient! Why do you use that as a test for personhood? Why not wait until the proto-human is able to provide for him/her self? This would give the parents a lot more time to decide whether they want to keep the little bugger. And what is this business about a soul? Why do you use theo-speek for a secular, purely rational decision?

Seriously if your going to use some arbitrary event like drawing the first breath why not use one that gives the prospective parents more freedom to choose. I mean after all that's what it's all about isn’t it? Choice, convenience, etc.

87 posted on 12/04/2001 11:50:20 AM PST by conservonator
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