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To: Humidston
>WHY do we (some of us) seem to believe the feds AREN'T already working on this cult?? How do we know they haven't already installed "plants" in this commune and are getting serious intel already? We aren't privy to gov. intel and we have no idea what's going on behind the scenes.

You make very good points. And we come to the same conclusion from different directions: I suggest people don't take action because I'm afraid they'll get shot and you suggest people don't take action because the Feds may already be taking action behind the scenes.

However, I would like to comment on the thrust of your post.

You say "we have no idea what's going on behind the scenes" but that's not exactly true. We can make reasonable guesses based on past history of domestic terrorist groups & cults and the Fed's response to them.

1) Almost certainly you are right about plants. I don't believe there has EVER been an active, large scale group that didn't have intelligence agents/double-agents within it.

2) But is that good news or bad news? Certainly we can't forget about OKC! I'm not an expert on that case, but I believe I've seen here and even on mainstream outlets like CNN that at least one woman has come forward saying she was an FBI contact and that she warned her "handler" that OKC was in the works prior to the attack. And the Feds did nothing.

3) These "Islamic villages" seem to be a large scale endeavor. Like any large scale effort, we can look at history and guess that there are agents/double-agents within the groups. If so, then HOW DID 911/WTC take the Feds by "surprise?" Did none of the people in this group have advance warning?

Mark W.

299 posted on 11/09/2001 9:01:30 AM PST by MarkWar
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To: MarkWar
And the Feds did nothing.

I think you have found the key to most of our current problems. We can only hope the current administration will do something to rectify this problem.

301 posted on 11/09/2001 9:11:34 AM PST by alaskanfan
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To: MarkWar
The fact that the feds (hopefully) have plants in "all the large groups" does not mean that folks can't come in and out over the years for training, support, or a place to lay low, but then can't go off on their own to commit a terrorist act (OKC, etc) on their own or in a small sub group without the "large group" being aware of the specific plan.

In fact, this is what the "large group" hopes for: to give solo and small group radicals training and target ideas, and then "say goodbye" to them, and then to read in the papers about a building or jet being blown up. If questioned, the leaders of the "large group" back at the training center can honestly say "we had no idea!"

309 posted on 11/09/2001 10:12:10 AM PST by Travis McGee
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To: MarkWar
We can make reasonable guesses based on past history of domestic terrorist groups & cults and the Fed's response to them.

For the past 8 years we've had a clown, a buffoon, no... a CORRUPT clown buffoon, packing every key slot in D.C. with his corrupt/globalist lackeys. Eight long years of slackers, liars, and the elitist leftists. Virtually all this crap happened on the clown's watch. And he did nothing, right?

Now we're playing catch up. Bush is frantically moving key people into crucial slots and I firmly believe he is a good honest man who genuinely loves America and sees the dangers we're all facing.

I say, let's give him a chance to turn this nightmare around before we start picking on him.

330 posted on 11/09/2001 3:57:45 PM PST by Humidston
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