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Northern Alliance Charges Tanks with Horses (My Title)
Reuters ^ | November 07, 2001 08:38 PM ET | Deborah Zabarenko

Posted on 11/07/2001 7:36:46 PM PST by rwb

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Anti-Taliban forces on horseback attacked tanks in northern Afghanistan as U.S. airstrikes hit caves and vehicles and fighting raged near the key crossroads city of Mazar-i-Sharif, the Pentagon said on Wednesday.

The month-old U.S.-led bombing campaign was focused on that patch of rugged terrain, where mounted cavalry charges by the Northern Alliance were reported, according to Marine Gen. Peter Pace, vice chairman of the U.S. military Joint Chiefs of Staff.

"This is opposition forces riding horseback into combat against tanks and armored personnel carriers," Pace said at a Pentagon briefing. "So these folks are aggressive. They're taking the war to their enemy and ours."

Asked about military activity near Mazar-i-Sharif, an essential point on the supply line to the capital Kabul, Pace said, "It is fluid. They are fighting."

Pace did not elaborate on the use of horses in the campaign, but a U.S. defense official said in such rocky areas as northern Afghanistan, with winter setting in and roads tenuous at best, traveling and fighting on horseback had advantages.

"The Northern Alliance can be characterized as a very light infantry force," the official told Reuters, speaking on condition of anonymity. "It's one of their strengths that they're accustomed to fighting with low food supplies, low ammunition, with horses aiding their mobility."

"If you had a force relying on trucks, you'd need gas and spare parts and that requires a more complicated logistics trail," the official said.

The official stressed that some tribes in the alliance have trucks and tanks, but most operate on horseback: "Given the terrain, horses are an excellent way for moving around."

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The United States has said for several days that airdrops to the alliance, a loose organization of tribes who oppose Afghanistan's ruling Taliban, have included not just food and ammunition but fodder for the horses, which the official said was probably bags of barley, a more compact food than baled hay.

As to whether a cavalry charge might be effective against a tank, the official said that most tanks in northern Afghanistan were mostly buried and used as artillery, and likened this to cavalry charges used in World War One against trench warfare.

The official estimated that Northern Alliance forces had several hundred horses, and said it was a logical assumption to conclude that U.S. special forces teams inside Afghanistan in this area could be on horseback as well.

Of 80 air missions made on Tuesday, Pace said two-thirds were specifically to support the Northern Alliance. The rest of the U.S. sorties were against caves and tunnels used by al Qaeda, the guerrilla network of Osama bin Laden.

Pace declined to estimate losses or casualties among the Taliban after more than 2,000 sorties since the air campaign began Oct. 7. The Taliban are sheltering bin Laden and al Qaeda guerrillas, whom Washington holds responsible for deadly Sept. 11 attacks on America.

Later on Wednesday, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said on public television's "The Newshour with Jim Lehrer" that he would give no numbers for enemy casualties in Afghanistan.

However, he noted that in a month of air strikes, "a lot of Taliban people have been killed and a lot of al Qaeda people have been killed."

In gun camera footage shown at the briefing, U.S. precision munitions homed in on two Taliban vehicles as a human figure was seen walking between them. The vehicles were shown being destroyed.

In addition to the air campaign, the United States is working to get more special forces troops into Afghanistan to help target the Taliban. Last week, the Defense Department acknowledged there were fewer than 100 such forces in the country; that number had more than doubled by Tuesday. Symbol Name U.S. Says Anti-Taliban Mounted Forces Attack Tanks Blair: Airstrikes Not Enough, Other Actions Seen Guards Kill Gunman After Qatar Airbase Shooting U.S. Hails Further Israeli Pullout, Awaits More U.S., Other Nations to Coordinate Bioterrorism Fight UN Urged to Send Its Staff Back Into Afghanistan Colombia Rebels Threaten to Abandon Peace Talks Montesinos Said to Demand $700,000 Bribe From Jail Brazil's Cardoso Faces Pressure From U.S. on Terror Bodies of Eight Women Are Found at Mexican Border Additional Articles >


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To: Don Myers
The U.S. Army was using horse cavalry as late as the 40's. Obviously in armour-hostile terrain such as this region, they still have an application. I've been discussing this with several military types (U.S. and others) who were confidentially wishing they still had a small mounted corps, even if it was just pack mules.
21 posted on 11/07/2001 8:41:55 PM PST by coydog
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To: rwb
Is it just me or is it a really dumb idea to ride a horse against a tank?

Depends. You'd think that a soldier on foot would be at a distinct disadvantage amongst tanks, but that's a situation that tankers try to avoid. I don't think they are launching cavalry charges, sabers drawn, like the gallant but doomed Polish Army against the Nazis. They are probably using them to provide the mobility in "shoot and scoot" tactics using anti-tank rockets.

22 posted on 11/07/2001 8:42:59 PM PST by LouD
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To: rwb
one can only hope the Poles built the tanks...then there might be a chance.....lmao
23 posted on 11/07/2001 8:44:16 PM PST by cactusSharp
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To: cactusSharp; GeronL
Does anyone know what kind of tanks they have? 55's or 62's ?
24 posted on 11/07/2001 8:55:46 PM PST by rwb
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To: rwb
Russia said they were giving the Northern Alliance 40 of the T-55 tanks.
25 posted on 11/07/2001 8:59:35 PM PST by GeronL
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To: GeronL
T-55's, huh?! Well then its safe to say that they're not going to be winning any wars anytime soon.

Maybe after the 'banis get bombed into the Stone Age, then the T-55 will be an 'uber' weapon.

And to think that just a few years ago Russia didn't know how to get rid of its surplus junk. Ha Ha Ha !

26 posted on 11/07/2001 9:08:35 PM PST by rwb
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To: rwb
The NA might also have some BMP's and newer (than 55's) that were captured from the Soviet war.
27 posted on 11/07/2001 9:16:48 PM PST by GeronL
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To: rwb
Actually, the Soviet Red Army used their Cavalry Guards until the end of WWII.

The Northern Alliance needs alot of vehicles and I have not seen any stories about us sending them trucks (I say send them SUV's as well, just to upset the wacko environmentalists) to make their forces more mobile.

28 posted on 11/07/2001 9:25:51 PM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: KC_Conspirator
Speaking of environmentalists ... are DU rounds being used in Af'stan?
29 posted on 11/07/2001 9:42:02 PM PST by rwb
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To: Scott from the Left Coast
"...it is highly unlikely (no known instances) that any such units used horses to advance against armor. ..."

Some interesting info from World War II Almanac, 1931--1945 , by Robert Goralski, page 91---

Quote--"Sept. 2, 1939--Two Polish divisions were destroyed in an attempt to pull back through the Corridor. A Polish cavalry brigade was shattered when mounted lancers attacked German tanks."

Also, "The German ground forces possessed well over a half-million horses on Sept. 1, 1939. By the time the war ended, a total of 2,700,000 horses had served the Wehrmacht. That is nearly twice the number used by the Germans in World War I...." [page 96 ].

30 posted on 11/07/2001 9:53:37 PM PST by gatex
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To: rwb
Don't underestimate the ability of horse-mounted RPG or LAW rocket-equipped cavalry. A horse can go anywhere a man go can without using his hands to climb, so they will control the high ground. These people are expert horseman.

To my knowledge, there are no F-16s in Afghanistan.

31 posted on 11/07/2001 9:54:45 PM PST by Terrorista Nada
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To: rwb
Well, everybody knows, as was depicted in the great and visionary epic "Planet of the Apes" that the horse is the preferred mode of travel in the future. I expect any day to see large monkey looking creatures manning the trench lines.
32 posted on 11/08/2001 1:13:15 AM PST by Rokke
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To: rwb
This would have happened during ambushes, since established defensive positions were protected by the liberal use of minefields.

You're absolutely right. They employed the tactic when the Russians were on the move.

33 posted on 11/08/2001 10:47:50 AM PST by Hamza01
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To: rwb
In an area without roads or gasoline supplies, If, you do not have a horse, you are walking.

One of the primary advantages of a horse is that it can get you to a battlefield quickly. With more equipment than you can carry alone. You can then get off to fight in a fairly fresh physical condition. The other advantage is that soldiers can withdraw quickly by simply remounting and riding away.

Under present circumstances with FLIR imagery being used, horse soldiers with the Northern Alliance would be easy to spot and identify.

Old tech and new tech working together.

35 posted on 11/08/2001 11:21:19 AM PST by Inge_CAV
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