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To: Yardstick
I do think you are going much too far, and you are making the new Covenant exactly what its worst enemies have always contended. Its far more numerous balanced statements, you are ignoring. Maybe we just represent two different kinds of Christian, and never the twain shall meet.

"Blindness IN PART has happened unto Israel, UNTIL the fulness of the Gentiles has come in." "Jerusalem will be trodden down by the Gentiles, UNTIL the times of the Gentiles are finished."

The clock is not only ticking on your outmoded stance, it has done ticked out, and your time is up. Please take these ideas back to the middle ages, and welcome Israel back to full loving fellowship with us as not only full members of God's family, but with a unique eschatological role which gentilized Christians could never fulfil, and yes, that involves the Temple.

One red heifer, without blemish, without even two non-red hairs, will do more for eschatology than your quotations, which are out of context and out of date. They represent anti-Jewish bigotry, and are the moral equivalent of the anti-Christian bigotry of some in ADL, or of some in Israel who pass laws forbidding freedom of worship there to Christians, or desecrate churches there, or who want no Christian help in the Temple's rebuilding...despite the fact the Tanakh itself says such help will be both forthcoming, and welcome...

133 posted on 11/08/2001 11:57:14 PM PST by crystalk
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To: crystalk
I think you are going much too far, and you are making the new Covenant exactly what its worst enemies have always contended.

At the most fundamental level, the new Covenant's worst enemies despise the new Covenant because they despise the fact that Jesus claims to be the Messiah, the Son of God, and the only hope for salvation. Their contention that Jesus claimed to be the Christ and the fulfillment of Old Testament messianic prophecy is absolutely correct. That they despise him for this is their problem.

Of course, these people would also say that those who hold such an absolutist view of the new Covenant must necessarily despise and persecute the Jews and Israel. There may seem to be some truth here when you look at the historical persecution of Jews by Christians, but these Christians are debased and out of line with scripture, and they're certainly out of line with the love that Jesus has for all people, which he demonstrated by his death on the cross.

Jesus commands us to "love your neighbor as yourself", therefore I will do my best to love my fellow man, including those who happen to be Jewish. Jesus made his best effort to give the Jews the Good News, even having his disciples go to the Jews first, and so I will do what I can to help point the Jews back to their Messiah.

Does this sound anti-Jewish? If anything, you're harming the Jews when you stand between them and their Savior. Being a stumbling block to them by encouraging their rejection of Christ and his atoning blood (and a rejection is exactly what renewd animal sacrifices would be) is the last thing someone who loves the Jewish people should do.

Its far more numerous balanced statements, you are ignoring.

There are no scriptures that "balance" the first three scriptures that I included in my last post. In them, the Son of God is declaring with unmistakable clarity that, under the new Covenant, there is no salvation apart from Him. Less-clear scripture must be interpreted in the light of clear scripture; if in your interpretation the Jews are saved by animal sacrifices, then it's time to revise your interpretation (I am correct in thinking you believe the Jews are saved by something other than Jesus' sacrifice, aren't I?) Similarly, if the Son of God claims to be the rebuilt temple, but your interpretation of the temple involves people stacking stone in Jerusalem, then there needs to be a revision, it seems to me.

The clock is not only ticking on your outmoded stance, it has done ticked out, and your time is up.

The irony here, of course, is that you are the one advocating a return to the outmoded old Covenant.

...welcome Israel back to full loving fellowship with us as not only full members of God's family, but with a unique eschatalogical role...and that involves the Temple

According to Jesus, those who reject God's firstborn Son will be rejected, but he also said that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life, and that includes the Jews. It is therefore imperative to share the Gopel with the Jews in order for them to become our brothers in Christ. And:

I did not see a temple in the City, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.

144 posted on 11/09/2001 11:39:46 AM PST by Yardstick
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