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Apologizing For Bible Truth ?
The Baptist Bible Trumpet ^ | Nov 2001 | Steven Mays

Posted on 11/06/2001 3:04:47 PM PST by Church Lady

Apologizing for Bible Truth?

A few weeks ago Jerry Falwell apologized for the comments he made while he was being interviewed by Pat Robertson. What did Jerry Falwell say that was so awful?

Based on the response he's received you would have thought that he blasphemed God, or denied the virgin birth, or burned the American flag publicly. After all, Pat Robertson, Cal Thomas, Rush Limbaugh, even President Bush vehemently condemned what he said. Whatever he said must have really been awful because he came out quickly and apologized. What did he say? He said that the sins and wickedness of people in our nation are causing God to remove His hand of protection from our nation. He specifically mentioned homosexuals, lesbians, feminists, abortion and a few other sins. This "horrible" statement brought the wrath of so-called "Christian" leaders, not to mention the White House, down upon him. That's it folks.

Since he has retracted his statement and apologized for it, I want to go on record today as saying, "The sins and wickedness of people in America are causing God to remove His hand of protection from our nation. Specifically, I believe several national sins such as the homosexual and lesbian lifestyle, the home wrecking, God-denying, feminist movement, the millions of abortions performed annually, as well as the compromising, worldly churches are causing God to remove His hand of protection from our nation."

I was taught to believe that righteousness exalts a nation and sin brings reproach to any nation. Therefore I do not expect to make any apologies for the statements I have just made.

If George Washington were alive today I don't think he would be apologizing for Jerry's statements. He once said, "Of all the dispositions and habits, which lead to political prosperity, Religion and Morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of Patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of Men and Citizens."

I don't think Thomas Jefferson would be apologizing. He once said, "Can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed, I tremble For my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever."

I wrote last month that our nation's political leaders are just a reflection of our nation's pulpits' leaders. Mr. Falwell's apology just proves my point. Politicians as a rule don't seem to have a backbone, but neither do most preachers.

Remember the words of Isaiah 5:20, "Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!" We won't apologize for God's Truth and then expect God to bless America. Mr. Falwell, you had it right-you had no business apologizing.

Pastor Steven E. Mays - Trumpet Editor


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To: He Rides A White Horse
I used to step off of the curb into the street when my parents told me not to, as well.

I'm sure God made you do it. Is this a quiz? There are better explanations for the NY massacre than the Falwell/Robertson model. Here are a couple.

1. God doesn't take an active role in earthly matters. He never protects anybody, it's just people doing what they do.
2. God is dead.
3. God has better things to do.
4. God really doesn't have the power we think he has.
5. There is no God. He is just a superstition.

All of the above are better explanations for the NY attacks than those given by Fallwell and Robertson.
201 posted on 11/07/2001 4:09:30 PM PST by Poser
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To: He Rides A White Horse
Try, "When we don't pay attention to God, we die".

As far as I know, everybody that ever lives eventually dies. Those who pay attention to God don't seem to live any longer than those who don't. That's more evidence that God doesn't meddle in earthly matters (or is dead).
202 posted on 11/07/2001 4:14:49 PM PST by Poser
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To: Poser
1. God doesn't take an active role in earthly matters. He never protects anybody, it's just people doing what they do asked for.

2. God Nietzche is dead.

3. God has better things to do.

See point one.

4. God really doesn't have the power we think he has.

You and every Babylonian king. Too funny.

5. There is no God. He is just a superstition.

We'll see.

203 posted on 11/07/2001 4:21:20 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse
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To: He Rides A White Horse
"When we don't pay attention to God, we die".

I got good money that says you're going to die whether you pay attention to God or not.

204 posted on 11/07/2001 4:22:22 PM PST by OWK
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To: Poser
Those who pay attention to God don't seem to live any longer than those who don't.

Those that ignore Him live to the ripe old age of 80. If they are lucky.

205 posted on 11/07/2001 4:23:04 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse
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To: OWK
This is going to get good.....
206 posted on 11/07/2001 4:23:52 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse
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To: OWK
I got good money that says you're going to die whether you pay attention to God or not.

See if your narrow earthly concerns go beyond 80 years.

207 posted on 11/07/2001 4:25:26 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse
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To: He Rides A White Horse
Well I can imagine I'm going to live forever too....

But when the heart stops beating and the neurons stop firing, we'll each be every bit as dead as the other.

Sorry, but there ain't no magic.

Dead, is dead.

208 posted on 11/07/2001 4:29:46 PM PST by OWK
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To: OWK
But when the heart stops beating and the neurons stop firing, we'll each be every bit as dead as the other.

I don't think so. For you and those of your mindset, think of evolution. Really loosely, though.

Sorry, but there ain't no magic.

I always thought of God as the "Master Scientist". Loosely again, of course.

Dead, is dead.

To the dead, that's what they are.

209 posted on 11/07/2001 4:34:25 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse
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To: He Rides A White Horse
I don't think so.

You don't think so, because you have been convinced by the testimony of others (who have no more evidence than you have) that there is a wonderful magical afterlife, in a wonderful magical place, where everything is just wonderful all the time. And based solely on the authority you grant to these "witnesses" (who have in fact witnessed nothing at all) you believe.

Just as somewhere halfway round the globe, some fellow in a squat mud brick shack believes in a different afterlife, in a different magical place, with a different God, based solely on the authority that HE granted to "witnesses" (who have in fact witnessed nothing at all).

And you are both equally convinced with all of your being, that the testimony you have heard is true, even though there isn't a shred of objective evidence to support it. And you seek out others to testify and affirm your belief to, so as to reinforce your confidence in this testimony, and to assuage your doubt.

But the intersting part of the observations rest in comparing you, and the man in the mud shack halfway round the world. Had your places of birth been reversed, and the testimony you heard been exchanged, you would be equally convinced of the existence of some OTHER magical afterlife place, overseen by some other magical God.

210 posted on 11/07/2001 4:46:20 PM PST by OWK
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To: ppaul
He has since stated that he was wrong to not include himself and the church. The press, of course, will not repeat anything that humanizes or praises Jerry Falwell.
211 posted on 11/07/2001 4:52:23 PM PST by Ragtime Cowgirl
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To: OWK
Just as somewhere halfway round the globe, some fellow in a squat mud brick shack believes in a different afterlife, in a different magical place, with a different God, based solely on the authority that HE granted to "witnesses" (who have in fact witnessed nothing at all).

Except the stamp of fulfilled prophecy.

Had your places of birth been reversed, and the testimony you heard been exchanged, you would be equally convinced of the existence of some OTHER magical afterlife place, overseen by some other magical God.

The truth is an indelible stamp. Everybody has it.

212 posted on 11/07/2001 5:00:00 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse
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To: rolling_stone
You missed my point, what kind of God would require people to worship him? The people are then slaves to their god. They must bow to him? Why? Is it because he created the hevens and earth and its people? What kind of Supreme Being requires blind faith and worship? Is this a compassionate and caring god or an egomaniac?

Once again..a Holy God,that created the earth and the fullness thereof,the God that created all life and substance,the God that made man fram a handful of clay,a God that is sovereign and holy..

Does a natural father demand respect from his children ?How much more should our God demand your submission to his authority and worship?

Man that refuses to give God his glory is the egomaniac.....He is Worthy!

213 posted on 11/07/2001 5:01:51 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: Stone Mountain
So then you DO have to believe in Christ..

Only if you WANT TO..if you do not want to then you will have to meet God and accept the effect of non belief..

214 posted on 11/07/2001 5:05:39 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: OWK
But the intersting part of the observations rest in comparing you, and the man in the mud shack halfway round the world.

Maybe you are the one who would point at electricity and say 'devil's work'.........;)

215 posted on 11/07/2001 5:06:30 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse
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To: He Rides A White Horse
Except the stamp of fulfilled prophecy.

There is no religious faith in the world that does not claim some kind of fulfilled prophecy as evidence of it's veracity. Personally I don't find the loose interpretation of vague references to be evidence of anything.

216 posted on 11/07/2001 5:10:06 PM PST by OWK
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To: He Rides A White Horse

The truth is an indelible stamp. Everybody has it.

Correction... Everybody thinks they have the truth. People in the middle east are convinced of the veracity of Allah and his last true prophet Mohammed. People in Israel are convinced of the veracity of the God of Abraham, and they anxiously await the appearance of the Messiah. Christians on the other hand, believe that this Messiah has already come. The Hindu believe in a strange meld of odd supernatural characters and nature.

There are dozens of religions in the world (and thousands of sects). And the one thing the practitioners of all of them share, is the absolute confidence in their beliefs to the exclusion of all others.

Had you been born, raised, and indoctrinated into any one of those other faiths... you'd be attempting now, to convince me of the truth of Allah, or Ganesh, or the Bhudda... or perhaps some other magic God.

217 posted on 11/07/2001 5:11:32 PM PST by OWK
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To: He Rides A White Horse
Maybe you are the one who would point at electricity and say 'devil's work'.........;)

Had I been born in the Congo, and raised in the tradition of the Jujuman... It is entirely likely that I would.

218 posted on 11/07/2001 5:13:16 PM PST by OWK
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To: Church Lady
So what do any of those (correct and good) quotes that praise morality and castigate immorality have to do with the ludicrous notion that God removed his protective hand? Nothing. There is a non-sequitor there, big time. No we don't expect this guy to apologize. He's got a good thing going and trying to make it bigger.
219 posted on 11/07/2001 5:15:13 PM PST by jammer
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To: OWK
People in the middle east are convinced of the veracity of Allah and his last true prophet Mohammed..

Oh right....those guys chanting, "Death to the USA" as they smacked themselves in the head......next point please.

People in Israel are convinced of the veracity of the God of Abraham, and they anxiously await the appearance of the Messiah. Christians on the other hand, believe that this Messiah has already come.

The Judeo-Christian relationship is more complex than your statement suggests. I think you know that already.

Had you been born, raised, and indoctrinated into any one of those other faiths... you'd be attempting now, to convince me of the truth of Allah, or Ganesh, or the Bhudda... or perhaps some other magic God.

I don't think so.

Maybe you would be a natural born leftist under those conditions. What do you think?

220 posted on 11/07/2001 5:16:31 PM PST by He Rides A White Horse
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