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Apologizing For Bible Truth ?
The Baptist Bible Trumpet ^ | Nov 2001 | Steven Mays

Posted on 11/06/2001 3:04:47 PM PST by Church Lady

Apologizing for Bible Truth?

A few weeks ago Jerry Falwell apologized for the comments he made while he was being interviewed by Pat Robertson. What did Jerry Falwell say that was so awful?

Based on the response he's received you would have thought that he blasphemed God, or denied the virgin birth, or burned the American flag publicly. After all, Pat Robertson, Cal Thomas, Rush Limbaugh, even President Bush vehemently condemned what he said. Whatever he said must have really been awful because he came out quickly and apologized. What did he say? He said that the sins and wickedness of people in our nation are causing God to remove His hand of protection from our nation. He specifically mentioned homosexuals, lesbians, feminists, abortion and a few other sins. This "horrible" statement brought the wrath of so-called "Christian" leaders, not to mention the White House, down upon him. That's it folks.

Since he has retracted his statement and apologized for it, I want to go on record today as saying, "The sins and wickedness of people in America are causing God to remove His hand of protection from our nation. Specifically, I believe several national sins such as the homosexual and lesbian lifestyle, the home wrecking, God-denying, feminist movement, the millions of abortions performed annually, as well as the compromising, worldly churches are causing God to remove His hand of protection from our nation."

I was taught to believe that righteousness exalts a nation and sin brings reproach to any nation. Therefore I do not expect to make any apologies for the statements I have just made.

If George Washington were alive today I don't think he would be apologizing for Jerry's statements. He once said, "Of all the dispositions and habits, which lead to political prosperity, Religion and Morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of Patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of Men and Citizens."

I don't think Thomas Jefferson would be apologizing. He once said, "Can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed, I tremble For my country when I reflect that God is just; that His justice cannot sleep forever."

I wrote last month that our nation's political leaders are just a reflection of our nation's pulpits' leaders. Mr. Falwell's apology just proves my point. Politicians as a rule don't seem to have a backbone, but neither do most preachers.

Remember the words of Isaiah 5:20, "Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!" We won't apologize for God's Truth and then expect God to bless America. Mr. Falwell, you had it right-you had no business apologizing.

Pastor Steven E. Mays - Trumpet Editor


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
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To: OWK
Strange. I didn't see one mention of the World Trade Center... OR airplanes. Let me read it again... Nope, still not in there.

Hear now this, O foolish people, and without understanding; which have eyes, and see not; which have ears, and hear not:Jer 5/21

141 posted on 11/07/2001 9:14:01 AM PST by netman
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To: JesusSaves
Why would God turn His back on any individual or country? How could anyone possibly offend God?
142 posted on 11/07/2001 9:15:30 AM PST by stuartcr
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To: BibChr
Identify modern movements that are sinful as sinful? Amen, go to it. State that sinful behavior brings bad consequences, sooner or later? Amen, do it. Say that Event B was directly caused by God because of Behavior A? Without specific Biblical authority, I do have problems with that.

I have problems with it, too.

Another problem I have with Fallwell was his singling out only the sins of "those other guys over there," and not mentioning the sins of his listeners/contributors. Old Testament prophets always addressed their audience and said you have to change your ways, or there will be consequences. Falwell, like the Pharisee who prayed that he was glad he wasn't like the tax collector, is telling his intended audience that all our problems are the fault of the gays, abortionists and ACLU, and not calling on his flock to give up their own brands of sexual immoralities.

143 posted on 11/07/2001 9:36:41 AM PST by Lurking Libertarian
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To: stuartcr
I personally don't think God cares that much about what we do.

The wicked, through the pride of his countenance, will not seek after God: God is not in all his thoughts.Ps.:10/4

144 posted on 11/07/2001 9:39:17 AM PST by netman
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To: netman
Can't see what that quote has to do with what I said.
145 posted on 11/07/2001 9:54:02 AM PST by stuartcr
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To: Lurking Libertarian
That's a good point. Peter says, "For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God; and if it begins with us first, what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God?" (1 Peter 4:17).

Daniel was, by any estimation, a remarkable man. Yet in his stirring and majestic prayer of chapter 9, he says, "We have sinned." One wonders what he might have done, but if he hadn't sinned, then he is lying -- and that's a sin! So he's covered! (c8

The only factor in this that worries me is the easy moral equivalency by which too many operate. "Clinton lied under oath," we said; "Oh yeah? Well Henry Hyde committed adultery thirty years ago!" And that was supposed to end everything.

So now, we say, "Homosexuality shouldn't be accepted as normal and healthy." The response of "Oh yeah? Well you don't read your Bible enough!" or "You don't give enough to your church" would be expected, but logically irrelevant.

Dan

146 posted on 11/07/2001 9:54:31 AM PST by BibChr
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To: Church Lady
We live in a time when Biblical truth is not cool.
147 posted on 11/07/2001 9:56:12 AM PST by Don Myers
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To: jlogajan
"Somebody should."

Don't worry about it, logjam. If it is false, you have nothing to worry about.

148 posted on 11/07/2001 9:57:26 AM PST by Don Myers
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To: BibChr
The only factor in this that worries me is the easy moral equivalency by which too many operate. "Clinton lied under oath," we said; "Oh yeah? Well Henry Hyde committed adultery thirty years ago!" And that was supposed to end everything.

Point well taken. But when a preacher is preaching to an audience from whom he is also soliciting donations, and says that America is guilty of condoning abortion and homosexuality (sins not common among his target audience), and doesn't mention that America is also guilty of condoning, say, adultery and easy divorce, one may, I think, legitimately ask if he is really trying to save souls or just being an opportunist.

LL,
a miserable sinner

149 posted on 11/07/2001 10:00:49 AM PST by Lurking Libertarian
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To: jlogajan
dear pastor mays,

thanks for posting this. i agree with you that our government sponsors and encourages many life styles that are against canaan law and the law of the gospel (love). this is not good for us. i also agree that the wages of sin is death. further the bible teaches us that bad things happen because of sin.

the bible also teaches us not to assume that any one incident can be assumed to be punishment for any sin. prior to jesus, the jews interpreted the law of retaliation, "an eye for an eye" to mean that bad things will happen to the wicked because they deserve it. jesus, in his ministry, corrected this perception by pointing out that there were many righteous who died when the tower fell on them.
150 posted on 11/07/2001 10:04:56 AM PST by mlocher
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To: BibChr
However, having said that, I again affirm that God is the moral Governor of the universe. What I deny is (A) that I or anyone can state unequivocally without direct Biblical authority that 9/11 happened specifically and solely as a direct punishment for national sins; and that (B) misfortune and calamity are always Divine punishments.

I end up back at the same question all the time Dan..Doesn't God's failure to act to stop 9/11 actually the indicate his approvalof it? I do not believe in random acts ,God allowed this,it was not outside His control..so the question is why???

152 posted on 11/07/2001 10:19:19 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: Church Lady
I have always agreed with what Jerry Falwell said. God did raise his "pinky" and let us see what can happen to this great nation without His divine protection, which He has given us liberally over the years. There are times He has to do things He doesn't want to do in order for a greater good. People are beginning to turn back to God because of the September 11th atrocities. That's always His motive in all He does and allows to happen. Yes, the fanatic Islams did this horrid satanic deed. We can't blame God for that. But He did allow it to happen. I believe a great revival in this nation and in this world will be the result. People are frightened and don't know where to turn. He's the only one who CAN protect us. We need to pray, not tremble with fear over what the future holds. Remember, HE holds the future.
153 posted on 11/07/2001 10:19:30 AM PST by Marysecretary
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To: rolling_stone
To conduct good lives, doesn't require a master, only a conscience....maybe some birth control too?

Only a fool would believe that any man ,outside of Jesus Christ is worthy of anything other than damnation.

154 posted on 11/07/2001 10:22:04 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: HiTech RedNeck
My thoughts exactly. We call good evil and evil good. The church is at fault in many ways and God is waking us up to that, finally. But people don't want to listen and sometimes tragedy causes them to have to.
155 posted on 11/07/2001 10:23:23 AM PST by Marysecretary
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To: BibChr; Lurking Libertarian
Speaking of Daniel 9

Nehemiah 1:1-7

1 The words of Nehemiah the son of Hachaliah. And it came to pass in the month Chisleu, in the twentieth year, as I was in Shushan the palace,
2 That Hanani, one of my brethren, came, he and certain men of Judah; and I asked them concerning the Jews that had escaped, which were left of the captivity, and concerning Jerusalem.
3 And they said unto me, The remnant that are left of the captivity there in the province are in great affliction and reproach: the wall of Jerusalem also is broken down, and the gates thereof are burned with fire.
4 And it came to pass, when I heard these words, that I sat down and wept, and mourned certain days, and fasted, and prayed before the God of heaven,
5 And said, I beseech thee, O LORD God of heaven, the great and terrible God, that keepeth covenant and mercy for them that love him and observe his commandments:
6 Let thine ear now be attentive, and thine eyes open, that thou mayest hear the prayer of thy servant, which I pray before thee now, day and night, for the children of Israel thy servants, and confess the sins of the children of Israel, which we have sinned against thee: both I and my father's house have sinned.
7 We have dealt very corruptly against thee, and have not kept the commandments, nor the statutes, nor the judgments, which thou commandedst thy servant Moses.

At the beginning of thy supplications the commandment came forth...

...Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment

And it came to pass in the month Chisleu. Luke 4:16-21

157 posted on 11/07/2001 10:25:13 AM PST by Thinkin' Gal
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To: RnMomof7
Only a fool would believe that any man ,outside of Jesus Christ is worthy of anything other than damnation.

Are all Jews fools?

158 posted on 11/07/2001 10:28:28 AM PST by Lurking Libertarian
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To: OWK
If I send Robertson my $50 and I have many times, I know it will be used for good humanitarian reasons. He provides blankets for the homeless, free operations via his Operation Blessings hospital plane all over the world, school clothes for poor children, etc., etc. What have YOU and others who complain about Robertson done to promote the Kingdom of God in practical ways as he has? I admire him greatly. He's not perfect but then neither are you or anyone else in this world. God will bless Pat and the 700 Club for taking the gospel around the world with his humanitarian causes.
159 posted on 11/07/2001 10:29:49 AM PST by Marysecretary
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To: OWK
Maybe you got one of them "New Bibles" by sending Robertson your 50 bucks.

The "Robertson Bible" is written in "intelligent ink" so that the words can be retroactively modified.

It's the same amazing technology found in the "Clinton Constitution".

160 posted on 11/07/2001 10:35:46 AM PST by steve-b
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