We don't have the luxury of sitting face to face over coffee or tea.
We may have one day. Until then I will not be using FR to go through the whole Tanak or Brit Chadashah with you. Bits at a time, yes. Again, please forgive my weakness.
Frankly, I would agree with you that God CAN do anything, but as I mentioned in the previous post, what point would be made in a God following Law???
The point is very carefully made in the Brit Chadashah. Before I quote it for you, perhaps you would tell me what point you thought was being made? (This is one of the reasons I don't like this forum - interaction is lousy. You can go look up the answer and circumvent my approach in sharing my faith.)
They also were unaware that Jesus had to suffer, die and be resurrected. In fact when Jesus told Peter about his coming death, Peter says No, we will not let it happen. See he was unaware of this alledged prophecy because it WAS NOT in the OT!!!!
Actually, the suffering was there. The death was there. The kingdom was there. What was not there was the long separation between the death and the kingdom. You and I are both impatient over the length of that separation when Messiah will come to reign and of the increase of the Kingdom there will be no end. Then justice will finally be established in the earth. Now I need the concordance I don't have, but I know you know where the suffering servant verses in Yesha-yahu are located.
Correction. The Jewish faith says it... and let's not forget that Jesus was Jewish.... I merely pointed out that it makes no sense to have a God on earth for us the emulate, since God can do anything, particularly following the Law.
Just for the sake of clarification - is that why you believe Messiah was sent, to give us an example to emulate? I will tell you that Christians do not believe this. We know we can never emulate Yeshua. We will target Him because his perfection is what we are asked for, but we know we can not be perfect because we are not G-d. What you have said is actually very close to blasphemy to Christians.
What is the OLD TESTAMENT (Tanakh) verse for that???
Psalm 22:1(NIV) For the director of music. To the tune of "The Doe of the Morning." A psalm of David. My God, my God, why have you forsaken me? Why are you so far from saving me, so far from the words of my groaning?
See also from Psalm 22
7 All who see me mock me; they hurl insults, shaking their heads:
8 "He trusts in the LORD; let the LORD rescue him. Let him deliver him, since he delights in him."
Sound like what the leaders said while Yeshua was on the Cross?
17 I can count all my bones; people stare and gloat over me.
18 They divide my garments among them and cast lots for my clothing.
More imagery of the crucifiction. As to the pierced hands and feet:
16 Dogs have surrounded me; a band of evil men has encircled me, they have pierced my hands and my feet.
There is a reason Yeshua gave this Psalm to His followers as He died. Note particularly:
24 For he has not despised or disdained the suffering of the afflicted one; he has not hidden his face from him but has listened to his cry for help.
25 From you comes the theme of my praise in the great assembly; before those who fear you will I fulfill my vows.
26 The poor will eat and be satisfied; they who seek the LORD will praise him-- may your hearts live forever!
27 All the ends of the earth will remember and turn to the LORD, and all the families of the nations will bow down before him,
28 for dominion belongs to the LORD and he rules over the nations.
Will you forgive me if I shout: AMEN! Hallelu-yah
And being pierced by a sword as mentioned earlier in the 'archtypes'/enemies of God...
Does that mean that everyone who has been pierced by the sword since the beginning of time is an enemy of G-d?
That's right.... it was a form of death used by the Gentiles... for crimes against the state. I mentioned that and explained it in a previous post, but perhaps you didn't read that one either.
I did not read what you wrote, but as you see I was aware of the fact. If this was not a Jewish form of punishment, why did David write about it?
Shalom.
Yes.. I was tempted to say I didn't read it, because it was too long...
I know you know where the suffering servant verses in Yesha-yahu are located.
You didn't mention the book, I have to guess that you mean Isaiah... but the suffering servant IS ISRAEL, the nation, and NOT a person!!
Just for the sake of clarification - is that why you believe Messiah was sent, to give us an example to emulate? I will tell you that Christians do not believe this. We know we can never emulate Yeshua. We will target Him because his perfection is what we are asked for, but we know we can not be perfect because we are not G-d. What you have said is actually very close to blasphemy to Christians.
Yes, I know. Christians don't WANT to have to TRY to be better or more spiritual. They don't want to be responsible for their actions. They'd rather play the 'grace' card and let others do the work for them! ie Jesus. That is why the idea of Satan is different for Christians than it is for Jews. The Christians say that they are tempted by Satan. Jews feel they are tempted by themselves, Satan's whose purpose is to accuse man in front of the Heavenly Court The idea is to overcome temptation, not blame temptation on Satan. Its just the theological 'blame game'. etc..]
See also from Psalm 22
7 All who see me mock me; they hurl insults, shaking their heads: 8 "He trusts in the LORD; let the LORD rescue him. Let him deliver him, since he delights in him."
Sound like what the leaders said while Yeshua was on the Cross?
Why, yes, it does... and so did all the quotes I previously gave regarding Jesus and the archtype similarities. Why is it that you only select and accept those that you WANT? And all the correlations I gave are not acceptable?????
Does that mean that everyone who has been pierced by the sword since the beginning of time is an enemy of G-d?
Of course not... but the overwhelming amount of verses pertaining to the archtypes and Jesus makes it very hard to ignore.
I did not read what you wrote, but as you see I was aware of the fact. If this was not a Jewish form of punishment, why did David write about it?
Probably for the same reason that Isaiah and Ezekiel wrote about it! lol
Isaiah 14:4 "That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!
Isaiah 14:12-16 "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;"
And we come full circle...morning star/lucifer... you might actually try READING the posts. It would make my posts a lot shorter since I wouldn't have to REPEAT myself! #240.
Isaiah 14:19 "But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet."
Ezekiel 32:7-8 "And when I shall put thee out, I will cover the heaven, and make the stars thereof dark; I will cover the sun with a cloud, and the moon shall not give her light. All the bright lights of heaven will I make dark over thee, and set darkness upon thy land, saith the Lord GOD."
I won't repost all the verses to support the archtypes since it would make this far too long.
Don't even bother replying since you can't be bothered to READ.