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To: angelo
Sorry for the delay, but I've had guests all day.

The passage which the epistle to the Hebrews takes out of context actually has nothing to do with atonement! It is about dietary laws.

I wasn't using the NT, I was quoting from Exodus 30.

Rabbis have tried and failed, huh? Yeah, right.

If they have, then perhaps they've contradicted God (Exo 30:10 & Lev 16:34)

This is really not that difficult. God commanded that sacrifices be offered only at the place(s) He commanded. The last place so designated was the Temple in Jerusalem. In the absence of the Temple, there is no place for sacrifices to licitly be offered. It would be an act of disobedience for Jews to try to offer sacrifice at a place other than where God commanded they be done.

Agreed, but I think it's a impossible burden for your faith to atone for your sins.

You think Jesus was the 'perfect sacrifice'? Sacrifices were supposed to be physically unblemished; Jesus had been scourged. Sacrifices were only allowed to be performed in the Temple. Jesus was crucified outside the gates of Jerusalem. Human sacrifice was forbidden by the Torah. Furthermore, no one can atone for the sins of another:

Isaiah 53, strongly disagrees with you.

Isa 53:5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
Isa 53:7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
Isa 53:10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

226 posted on 11/07/2001 7:53:20 PM PST by Dallas
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To: Dallas
I wasn't using the NT, I was quoting from Exodus 30.

'Hebrews' cites the passage from Leviticus. That passage is not about qorbanot, but rather is about kashrut.

Agreed, but I think it's a impossible burden for your faith to atone for your sins.

Thanks for your concern. When we repent and turn to God asking for forgiveness, He forgives us. Sacrifice was normative, but it was not mandatory in order to atone for sin. Sacrifice was a symbol of one's desire to mend one's relationship with God. A sacrifice made without contrition for sin was not efficacious.

Isaiah 53, strongly disagrees with you.

You think I haven't read these passages before, and heard the interpretation that Christians impose on them? In the last several months, I've probably had this same discussion half-a-dozen times on FR. Isaiah 53 is NOT a messianic passage. The Suffering Servant is Israel, not the messiah (as any reading of Isaiah in context will demonstrate). The translation you use here is not an accurate one, BTW.

228 posted on 11/07/2001 8:42:46 PM PST by malakhi
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