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To: Dataman
Of course Jesus was a Jew. His lineage is listed in front of the Synoptics. He preached in Synagogues (let a gentile try that!), he called the temple HIS Father's house, he was tried by the Jews and executed by the Romans at the insistence of the Jews (they were not allowed to execute). Jesus observed the Jewish Passover, was reprimanded by the Jews for working on the Sabbath (did Jews worry about Romans working on the Sabbath?) and amazed the teachers of the law with his knowledge of it when he was only 12!

Not quite accurate. First of all, the Jews did execute....'stoning' and beheading. The Jews had control over 'religious' problems... the Romans had control over 'state' problems. This would indicate that Jesus was seen as more of a STATE problem (declaring himself 'King'). This would be seen as TREASON and its punishment was the most harsh...crucifixion (a gentile death), reserved for offenses against the STATE. The Romans were not concerned if Jews blasphemed as in the alledged case of Jesus declaring himself God.... the Romans called themselves Gods all the time.... nope, the crucifixion wasn't about Jesus declaring himself God, it was because of the 'King' of the Jews statement. He was seen as a threat to the government.

FWIW

201 posted on 11/07/2001 9:44:49 AM PST by ET(end tyranny)
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To: ET(end tyranny)
Not quite accurate. First of all, the Jews did execute....'stoning' and beheading. The Jews had control over 'religious' problems... the Romans had control over 'state' problems. This would indicate that Jesus was seen as more of a STATE problem (declaring himself 'King'). This would be seen as TREASON and its punishment was the most harsh...crucifixion (a gentile death), reserved for offenses against the STATE. The Romans were not concerned if Jews blasphemed as in the alledged case of Jesus declaring himself God.... the Romans called themselves Gods all the time.... nope, the crucifixion wasn't about Jesus declaring himself God, it was because of the 'King' of the Jews statement. He was seen as a threat to the government.

Perhaps, then, you could explain why the Jews didn't execute him. It wasn't because he was a gentile. The Jews not only decided that Jesus had to die, they tried to carry it out a couple of times and were not successful. True, they did slip up and kill other Jews that didn't speak Pharisee PC but it was illegal nonetheless and they were penalized for it.

Jesus was not seen as a state problem to the Romans. Pilate said he found no fault in the man and would have released Jesus save the frothing Jewish crowd. Rome later viewed Christianity as a political threat (to justify its oppression) but Roman historians referred to it as a Jewish sect.

About Romans calling themselves gods all the time, it would be nice to see some supporting evidence or even rational arguments for this or any of your positions; All I have read so far is only your unsupported personal opinion. Some Caesars referred to themselves as god. How that qualifies as "many" is not readily apparent. The threat to Rome was Christians refused to acknowledge Caesar as God. Apparently the unconverted Jews had no problem giving lip service to Roman demands to secure their survival. Poor Mattathias, Judas the Hammer, Jonathan and John Hyrcanus, proud and faithful Jews who refused to burn incense to any pagan god. In only 150 years the Hasidim-turned-Pharisees had turned their backs on the reason for Purim.

Don't bother to respond to this post. You will first need to spend much time learning about the subjects of which you speak.

263 posted on 11/10/2001 8:51:12 PM PST by Dataman
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