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To: Dallas
Gen Chap 12, & 17. Then your argument is with Paul.

Can you narrow it down to a verse or two please? I want to look at the Hebrew to see where Paul finds a 'singular' 'offspring'. My argument may be with Paul, but you are the one repeating his argument here and now.

Abraham's faith produced his obedience, not tablets of stone.

So Abram went, as the LORD had told him (Genesis 12:4)

You cannot separate out Abraham's faith from his obedience. It was his obedience to God which demonstrated his faith.

Why worry about about temporal forgiveness when there is eternal forgiveness.

Jews have eternal forgiveness, and always have had, when they repent from sin and turn to God for forgiveness.

The blood of bulls & goats was just a covering, and did not take away sin (Heb 10:4)

Wrong. The Hebrew scriptures repeatedly describe sin as being "washed away", "blotted away", "remembered no more" etc. You have been misinformed.

And all its fat he shall burn on the altar, like the fat of the sacrifice of peace offerings; so the priest shall make atonement for him for his sin, and he shall be forgiven. (Leviticus 4:26)

I, I am He who blots out your transgressions for my own sake, and I will not remember your sins. (Isaiah 43:25)

None of the sins that he has committed shall be remembered against him (Ezekiel 33:16)

I have swept away your transgressions like a cloud, and your sins like mist; return to me, for I have redeemed you. (Isaiah 44:22)

With your demeanor, this comment does not suprise me.

And this refutes my point how? Perhaps you would like to explain to me your understanding of the purpose and function of the Jewish sacrificial system.

171 posted on 11/06/2001 10:39:11 PM PST by malakhi
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To: angelo
My argument may be with Paul, but you are the one repeating his argument here and now.

You're taking yourself too seriously. It wouldn't matter what evidence was produced, you've proved you'll argue with anybody in the bible who refutes your beliefs. (i.e. "Paul was wrong").

You cannot separate out Abraham's faith from his obedience. It was his obedience to God which demonstrated his faith.

You're splitting syntax hairs....

Jews have eternal forgiveness, and always have had, when they repent from sin and turn to God for forgiveness.

Got a passage that supports that ?

Wrong. The Hebrew scriptures repeatedly describe sin as being "washed away", "blotted away", "remembered no more" etc. You have been misinformed.

Talk about me being "wrong", and "misinformed". I can't find any of those terms you placed in quotes in the OT. Got a verse ?

I have a feeling you're flying by the seat of your pants in this exchange. The verses you quoted in no way support your premise. You're confusing temporal with eternal...

172 posted on 11/07/2001 12:04:08 AM PST by Dallas
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