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To: Hugh Akston
Here are some more White Supremacist writings for you, dumbass. Do they fit the conservative or the liberal agenda more closely? The first two are from the National Association for the Advancement of White People website. Enjoy:

"The welfare system of rewarding irresponsibility and illegitimacy only increases poverty instead of alleviating it. *Lowering standards to accommodate poorly achieving minorities harms everyone. *Discriminating against whites is as morally wrong as it is against blacks, Hispanics, Asians, or anyone else. *Increased minority crime is destroying the social fabric of America. *Forced integration and unrestrained immigration destroy schools, neighborhoods, cities, and ultimately nations. *High, illegitimate, minority birthrates - if allowed to continue - will one day make them the majority and give them political control of our country - just as they now control major cities. *Unless stopped now, massive illegal immigration from the Third World will surely make America more like the Third World rather than the nation of our forefathers."

and

"Aren't you sick of reverse discrimination, busing, minority welfare rip offs, massive immigration, gun control, anti-white movies & TV shows? Do you want to see America become like Mexico or South Africa, or Uganda? Impossible? Examine nonwhite birth rates and immigration. America is heading toward becoming another third world nation... in the name of "diversity"!"

http://66.54.217.236/beliefs.htm

Here, dumbass, are three more from Richard Pierce's National Alliance at http://www.natall.com.

"What would you say if a Liberal "social scientist" told you to jump into a pool filled with five hundred ravenous piranhas? If you valued your life, you'd certainly refuse the invitation. But what if the Liberal "social scientist" tried to convince you to go ahead and jump in, with the argument that "not all of the piranhas are aggressive. Some of them probably just want to make friends with you, and really aren't hungry either. To say that a piranha is going to attack you, just because he's a piranha, is a wicked stereotype, and probably contributes to the piranhas' negative feelings about you..."...let's say you were foolish enough to listen to the Liberal "social scientist," and you did jump into the pool filled with piranhas. You somehow managed to survive. You made it to the other side of the pool, where you jumped out, but you were seriously injured in the process. After you got out of the hospital, where your wounds were stitched up and your lost blood was replaced, you were paid a visit by your old "friend," the Liberal "social scientist." "It's not the piranhas' fault that you almost got eaten alive. It's not the poor piranhas' fault at all! It's your fault!" "My fault!" you exclaim, "How the hell could it be my fault?" "Ah, how little you bourgeois middle Americans understand," sighed our Liberal genius, "Don't you see that what happened to you only happened because those poor piranhas were underprivileged and hungry? If you'd given them enough food and a decent chance at life, then they wouldn't have attacked you like they did."

and this liberal point of view:

"There is no doubt that a major decline in the economic and social fortunes of America is now taking place, with the rise to power of the Clinton administration. Clinton, who is at heart not so much a malevolent conspirator as he is a sleazy, lying politician with the morals of a carnival shell-game operator, has nevertheless sold out completely to those who do conspire to take away our freedoms and our heritage, to those who do plan to destroy everything we hold dear and which our ancestors struggled, fought, and died to procure for us."

and finally this:

"In spiritually healthier times our ancestors took as theirs those parts of the world suited by climate and terrain to our race: in particular, all of Europe and the temperate zones of the Americas, not to mention Australia and the southern tip of Africa. This was our living area and our breeding area, and it must be so again. After the sickness of "multiculturalism," which is destroying America, Britain, and every other Aryan nation in which it is being promoted, has been swept away, we must again have a racially clean area of the earth for the further development of our people. We must have White schools, White residential neighborhoods and recreation areas, White workplaces, White farms and countryside. We must have no non-Whites in our living space, and we must have open space around us for expansion. We will do whatever is necessary to achieve this White living space and to keep it White."

And finally, let's hear from the American Nazis themselves, who call themselves, as did their German counterparts, the National Socialist Movement. Guess what the pet cause is on their website? I'll let you read for yourself, from http://www.nsm88.com/index2.html:

"Gun Control By a Private First Class in the N.S.M. The shortsighted liberals state, "ban firearms." In this statement they refer to everyone. If they were to look at statistics and see where guns are most dangerous they would see that it is not in the home. A guns most dangerous location is in the hands of non-whites. Of all the murders in the U.S. in 1992, 58% of them were commited by just blacks (not counting latinos). Quite staggering, concidering they make up 13% of the U.S. population. Of course liberal reasoning also states it would be bias and racist to take guns from non-whites. It is in my belief that it is better to violate the rights of a small group of problem citizens, for the safety of that nations people, then to violate an entire nations citizens, most of whom work hard to obey the law. Here are some numbers where a gun may also be used:(Per 1000 people) Robbery - 27 (non-white) 5 (white) Assault - 61 (non-white) 25 (white) Violent Crime - 80 (non-white) 30 (white) Burglary - 138 (non-white) 46 (white) Vehicle Theft - 86 (non-white) 17 (white) Most Whites in these numbers live in non-white neighborhoods. They have had commercial announcements by actors speaking of the dangers of guns in the home. From 1988 to 1992 there have been 1,525 justified homicides by home-owners to persons endangering their family and home. Not to mention the countless other times when no one has been killed. Here are numbers and other causes of accidental death in 1992: 12,400 Died from falling. 5,200 from poisoning 4,000 from fire and burning 2,700 from suffocation 1,400 from FIREARMS With the kind of numbers above, I would worry more about my children falling down the stairs, getting drain cleaner under the sink or playing with a plastic bag.

Do those statistics, quoted by the Nazi "private first class," sound familiar? There's another interesting letter in the "articles" section, written by a conservative Republican activist whose name you will no doubt recognize:

"The Lessons Of History - The Founding Fathers On Right To Bear Arms By Phyllis Schlafly - The Schlafly Report June, 2000

I strongly doubt that Ms. Schlafly gave permission to have her article used by this group. My point is not that conservatives are all racists, my point is that racists, in the great majority of cases, align themselves with conservative causes.

Instead of calling me names and calling all liberals "liars," educate yourself and join us in fighting against people like this. I'll tell you a secret about liberals and conservatives: both groups have among them some intelligent people, some saints, and some liars. Painting all of either camp with the broad brush of dishonesty is ridiculous. You appear to be a reasonably intelligent guy; your case will be a lot stronger if you dispense with insults.

165 posted on 12/12/2001 12:42:39 PM PST by ReasonedVoice
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To: ReasonedVoice
Explain to me how supporting the removal of gun rights for any law abiding citizen is a conservative cause? Sounds like the American Nazis want part of the Democrat platform- gun control, albeit where the restrictions are only on non-whites. I am glad that you realize that wanting to deprive a group of people of their right to own guns is a Nazi characteristic. You just want it on a larger scale.

But let's look at some other beauties from their 25 points of action, and see if these are the conservative causes you are referring to?

"We demand that the State shall make it its primary duty to provide a livelihood for its citizens...

"All citizens shall have equal rights and duties, regardless of class or station..."

"The activities of the individual must not clash within the framework of the community and be for the common good..."

"In view of the enormous personal sacrifices of life and property demanded of a nation by any war, personal enrichment from war must be regarded as a crime against the nation..."

"We demand the nationalization of all businesses which have been formed into corporations (trusts)..."

"...the passing of a law instituting profit-sharing in large industrial enterprises..."

"...the creation of a livable wage..."

"...health care be completely revolutionized. We demand an end to the status quo in which people die or rot away from lack of proper treatment due to the failure of their medical coverage, Health Maintenance Organization, or insurance policy.
    We further demand the extensive development of insurance for old age and that prescription drugs be made both affordable and accessible..."

"We demand the creation and maintenance of a healthy middle class, the immediate communalizing of big department stores and their lease at a cheap rate to small traders, and that the utmost consideration shall be shown to all small trades in the placing of state and municipal orders..."

"...ensure all members of the nation receive affordable housing..."

"However, we support the passing of a law for the expropriation of land for communal purposes without compensation when deemed necessary for land illegally acquired, or not administered in accordance with the national welfare..."

"We further demand the abolition of ground rent..."

"The secondary land reform will be to ensure the environmental integrity of the nation is preserved. By setting aside land for national wildlife refuges. By cleaning the urban, agricultural, and hydrographical (water) areas of the nation. By creating legislation regulating the amount of pollution, carbon dioxide, greenhouse gases , and toxins released into the atmosphere. And for the continued research and development of clean burning fuels and energy sources..."

"The state must consider a thorough reconstruction of our national system of education with the aim of opening up to every able and hardworking American the possibility of higher education and of thus obtaining advancement..."

"We demand the education of gifted children of poor parents, whatever their class or occupation, at the expense of the state..."

"We demand absolute religious freedom for all denominations in the State, provided they do not threaten its existence nor offend... feelings [of part of the society]"

"The common good before self-interest..."

"...we demand the creation of a strong central national government for the nation..."

A regular buffet of conservatism right there, eh? Except for being anti-abortion (well, for whites at least) and being pro-gun (except for non-whites), pretty much it is a liberal agenda. Certainly more in common with the Democrat platform than with George W. Bush's.

But they did quote the correct gun statistics, which does put them one up on the Brady Bunch.

You point to a blurb ranting about multiculturalism, yet you change white to black and it sounds exactly like a speech that could have been given by that noted conservative (LOL) Louis Farrahkan.

Your blurb about the Clinton administration sounds like what you can find leftist Ramsey Clark pushing three years ago. His IAC led the trashing of Seattle, protesting America's actions under Clinton.

167 posted on 12/12/2001 2:34:01 PM PST by Hugh Akston
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