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To: ReasonedVoice
Jesus gives very specific instructions on how to handle a conflict
I seem to recall in Matthew 14, Jesus talking about what a wise king does before going to war, and it wasn't precisely for the king to avoid the war. It was that the king would ensure that he would be able to vanquish the enemy.

You may also want to consider Hebrews 11:32-34:

And what more shall I say? I do not have time to tell about Gideon, Barak, Samson, Jephthah, David, Samuel and the prophets,
who through faith conquered kingdoms, administered justice, and gained what was promised; who shut the mouths of lions,
quenched the fury of the flames, and escaped the edge of the sword; whose weakness was turned to strength; and who became powerful in battle and routed foreign armies.
I love when liberals try to debate the Bible.
157 posted on 12/04/2001 4:12:53 PM PST by Hugh Akston
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To: Hugh Akston
Hugh wrote:

"I seem to recall in Matthew 14, Jesus talking about what a wise king does before going to war, and it wasn't precisely for the king to avoid the war. It was that the king would ensure that he would be able to vanquish the enemy."

That's precisely what Matthew 14 says, except that there's no enemy, no vanquishing, no wise king and no war. You're describing Luke 14, and deliberately misrepresenting what Jesus said (or perhaps your silly politics have distorted your memory). Luke 14:31-32 is a parable about how being unprepared for a walk with the Lord is like going into battle with 10,000 soldiers when the enemy has 20,000. The next verse, 33, tells a truth conservatives just hate to hear: "So with every one of you who will not part with all he has; he cannot be my disciple." Yup, turns out that the Right wing lie that the wealthy are entitled to hold onto everything they have and the poor are on their own is just another anti-Christian fairy tale.

"You may also want to consider Hebrews 11:32-34..." No, you may want to reconsider it. You took it completely out of context. Chapter 11 is about how nothing in the Old Testament, no valiant act of war, no great deed, can complete our relationship with God the way faith in Christ can. Verse 39 finishes the idea in 32-34 by saying: "And all these, while winning divine approval through their faith, did not receive the promised blessing." Ch 12:1-2 continues: "let us get rid of every impediment and the sin that ensnares us so easily, and let us run steadily the course mapped out for us, with our eyes on Jesus, the cause and completer of our faith." Then comes 12:14: "Seek eagerly for peace with everyone and for holiness without which no one shall see the Lord." Gee, seems pretty obvious, doesn't it?

Now against your feeble attempts at distortion, we have turning the other cheek, we have Jesus' rebuke of Peter for cutting off the ear of the High Priest's slave, we have "he who lives by the sword will die by the sword," and we have all the verses thoughtfully provided by the other soul who replied.

Do you want to tell another conservative lie now, and make Jesus out to be a warmonger to fit your political beliefs? I have a revelation for you: God is strong enough to win any battles He cares to win without any help from any of us. Period.

162 posted on 12/11/2001 4:58:54 PM PST by ReasonedVoice
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