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Defense of Liberty: Attila In a Boeing
Boston Independent Almanac "Lebed" (A Russian Language Webzine) ^ | October 14, 2001 | Igor Efimov (Yefimov)

Posted on 11/04/2001 7:15:41 PM PST by annalex

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This article, while exhibiting at times a naive belief in the power of the state to advance or protect culture, makes several important points. It places the present "war on terror" in it proper historical context, as a conflict between advanced and lagging behind civilizations, -- a conflict as long as history itself. It warns against the dual errors of treating this war as either a problem of criminal law enforcement or as a conflict between nations that can be resolved with purely military means. Finally it condemns the principle of national self-determination as inapplicable to the "lagging behind" civilizations.

My translation is functional but does not adequately express the author's style, that transitions from chatty conversationalism to erudite academese with remarkable agility.

We approached these topics in the previous weeks. In particular, in The Contours of Victory I assert the civilizational character of this war and sound similar warnings. Two Articles On Anti-Terrorist Policy by Peikoff, Just Intervention , and Philosophy: Who Needs It? contain a Randian blessing of an aggressively prosecuted war in defense of freedom.

Let me remind everyone that Defense of Liberty (earlier known as Pursuit of Liberty) is a periodical Free Republic publishing operation that I took upon myself to advance our understanding of libertarianism. The previous threads are on my Freeper profile. On occasion I take the intiative to place some fellow Freepers on my bump list, but primarily the list is formed from your requests. If you are not on the list and wish to be on it, let me know; if you are presently on and want off, ditto.

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1 posted on 11/04/2001 7:15:41 PM PST by annalex
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To: Agrarian; A.J.Armitage; AKbear; annalex; arimus; Askel5; Boxsford; Carbon; Carry_Okie...

Peter Breugel the Elder. Hunters in the Snow. (1565)

When civilization meant food on the table...


2 posted on 11/04/2001 7:17:50 PM PST by annalex
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To: annalex
bump for I'm half way through and it looks really good but it's getting really late and I'll have to finish it later.
3 posted on 11/04/2001 7:24:45 PM PST by error99
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To: annalex
bump
4 posted on 11/04/2001 7:25:38 PM PST by Libertarianize the GOP
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To: annalex
bump
5 posted on 11/04/2001 7:26:56 PM PST by Free the USA
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To: annalex
I can only read so much at a time and still concentrate. So far so good. Bump for later.
6 posted on 11/04/2001 7:34:16 PM PST by gcruse
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To: annalex


Missionaries of "Religion of Peace"

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7 posted on 11/04/2001 7:51:25 PM PST by ppaul
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To: annalex; JMJ333
 For such ascendant to the national throne group the state of war is the best justification of their rule. They will oppose any steps, which  would lead to a real peace. The incomprehension of this simple fact leads to all the dangerous absurdities of international policy and diplomacy of our days.

It hasn't been that long since Arafat was offered
everything he has been clamoring for, IIRC.  He
turned it down flat.

It appears the Islamic fundies will settle for
nothing less than the disappearance of advanced
society and a dragging of all civilization to their
dirt-dwelling, woman-enslaving, brutal lifestyle.

It won't happen.
You can't unring a bell.

Someday, when we have 'won', there may be
reservations upon which live these primitive
tribes at the sufferance of overarching
civilizations who no longer tolerate
the hatred, envy, and criminality of backward-
looking bands of fanatics.  Let them run casinos.

8 posted on 11/04/2001 8:16:29 PM PST by gcruse
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To: annalex; struwwelpeter; ThanksBTTT
Looks very interesting ... thanks!
9 posted on 11/04/2001 9:47:24 PM PST by Askel5
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To: Askel5
It reads very Russian.
10 posted on 11/04/2001 10:17:36 PM PST by struwwelpeter
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To: annalex
I agree with your analysis of the article. Very interesting...
11 posted on 11/04/2001 10:24:20 PM PST by sourcery
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To: struwwelpeter
It reads very Russian.

Linguistically, absolutely (I studied Russian in College--I even have a degree). But ideologically, it has much more in common with Western thought in general, and with American political tradition especially, than I am used to seeing from Russion sources. That's one of the very fascinating aspects of the article, actually.

12 posted on 11/04/2001 10:28:11 PM PST by sourcery
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To: annalex; *taliban_list
An excellent read, as far as I got!
Will read more tomorrow!

To find all articles tagged or indexed using

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13 posted on 11/04/2001 10:48:11 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: annalex
The sad truth is that "peaceful negotiations" with a nation controlled by an extremist group, are an impossibility. Peace will throw the extremists off the commanding posts to the bottom of the society. Peace will often bring them not only a loss of authority, but a physical death. Since they had enough time to bring so much grief to their people, the vengeance will not be late coming. Even the most advantageous peace conditions are unacceptable to the leaders of the Palestinians, the Albanians, the Tamil, the Kurds, the Chechens, just as it was not acceptable for Attila, Gengis Kahn, or Tamerlane to order their soldiers to put off swords and to grab the handles of a plow.

Excellent analysis.

As long as we ask our rulers to "establish a durable and just peace between the nations", we will be ruled solely by chamberlains. They cannot extinguish the volcano of hostility. But our losses from each eruption will grow sharply. That is because all peaceful gestures from time immemorial only kindled the zeal of the attackers.

Even better.

14 posted on 11/05/2001 3:07:51 AM PST by PatrickHenry
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To: annalex
We don't know how man overcame the first threshold,-- tamed animals and learned to guard, shepherd and breed them.

The dog.

As long as we do not recognize a state of war, we will require our police and our foreign intelligence to respect the privacy of the correspondence of our enemies, their "civil freedoms" and other rights, guaranteed by the constitution. That is akin to forbidding the military officers to use binoculars, lest, God forbid, they see some intimate details of life in the enemy trenches. Martial law requires sacrifice of some freedoms and people will be understanding if the martial law is openly declared.

No sale.

A war such as this requires absolute commitment of the populace to the principles and causes of the state. You do not get that by destroying civil liberites and civic respect for unalienable rights, but by the empowerment of self-government on a local basis. The key here in our defense is the organization of the Militia under the rule of law, more local republican architectures of "neighborhood government," and to replicate that device eslewhere.

transitions from chatty conversationalism to erudite academese with remarkable agility.

You'll enjoy mine.

15 posted on 11/05/2001 7:06:45 AM PST by Carry_Okie
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To: annalex
...Man's reaction, his behavior with respect to a nation that left him far behind must be the same as in those distant times. As a rule, this reaction was the mixture of envy, admiration, contempt and hatred.... The thirst to be introduced to rich settled life gradually penetrated the hearts of nomads... But how to obtain such life? ... To acquire enormous riches without loosing the freedom became the objective and the aspiration of each member of tribe...

Thanks for the post. The article reminded me of a similar observation about the relationship of coveteousness to war by the Biblical writer, James:

James 4
1 What causes fights and quarrels among you? Don't they come from your desires that battle within you?
2 You want something but don't get it. You kill and covet, but you cannot have what you want. You quarrel and fight. You do not have, because you do not ask God.

Cordially,

16 posted on 11/05/2001 7:32:10 AM PST by Diamond
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To: annalex
Finally had a chance to get back and read the whole article. Very informative. Would it be possible to add me to your flag list so that I don’t miss future additions.
Thanks
Free the USA
17 posted on 11/05/2001 12:23:53 PM PST by Free the USA
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To: ppaul
Fearlessness, Irreconcilability, Elusiveness
18 posted on 11/05/2001 2:42:37 PM PST by annalex
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To: gcruse
Let them run casinos

We don't want their territory. We could use the oil, of course, which should rightly be ours anyway. The victory will mean that the Muslim governments that we support will put those bastards on reservations, -- if they have the mercy.

19 posted on 11/05/2001 2:46:48 PM PST by annalex
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To: Uriel1975
BTTT for a read
20 posted on 11/05/2001 2:47:12 PM PST by RnMomof7
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