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To: Razz

I'm not so quick to dismiss what this author is trying to do. It's also not obvious that he can be easily dismissed as a REMF. This piece, and another one here, both look to me like attempts by well-meaning and knowledgeable people to reach Bush's ear via the media, to lend support to those in the Administration who are trying to warn Bush that a combination of The Usual Suspects in the State Department, and a senior officer corps composed of the sort of men who would rise under Clinton, is not pursuing this war according to what Bush says he wants.

I'm not talking about any expectations that this is supposed to be some sort of walk in the park, or that after three weeks we should expect to see bin Laden's head on a stick. I am talking, as I think these authors are talking, about the timidity and caution that seems to characterize the entire effort so far.

Osama bin Laden took down two of the largest buildings in the United States, and attacked the headquarters of our military. It's a miracle that tens of thousands of people weren't killed... that was certainly bin Laden's intent. Does anybody here believe that an F-16 dropping a couple of bombs here and there, every day for a couple of weeks -- stopping on Fridays so as to observe our enemy's day of prayer -- is the proper response to such an act?

Oh look, a B-52. That's right, a B-52. Not a hundred B-52s, or even 30 B-52's. One goddamned bomber dropping a stick and then going home for the day. This isn't war, this is some clown with a calculator playing a video game in Florida, with one poor pilot out in the real world tasked with living out General Franks' push-button fantasy.

I do not trust Seymour Hersh, so I'm not inclined to believe the story that Franks allowed a lawyer to talk him out of blowing up Mullah Omar when he had the chance. I'd like to think that's not true. But nothing in Franks' behavior so far suggests that he would do otherwise.

When bin Laden attacked, we should have roared like a lion. Instead we peeped like a little bird. That moment is gone; it will never be back. The whole psychological moment when we could have scared those camel jockeys sh*tless was spent being timid, moving our little pieces around as if we were opening with the King's Bishop's gambit. Now the camel jockeys think they have seen the mighty United States, and they haven't seen squat. They couldn't be more wrong, but fighting them now is going to be a lot harder than if we had made it clear from the beginning that they had messed with the wrong guys.

I share the concern of these authors that our military is in the hands of Clinton's favorite officers, and so long as that obtains we will never do what Bush says he wants done. I applaud the efforts of these authors to prod Bush into going farther down into the ranks, to see if there are any warriors down there that we can put in the place of Clinton's peacekeeping bureaucrats.


7 posted on 11/04/2001 1:14:11 AM PST by Nick Danger
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To: Nick Danger
i tend to agree with you, nick, as we are being too cautious & too concerned about civilian casualties, as i've said before you cannot be Nice & fight a war. it's one or the other.
8 posted on 11/04/2001 1:20:18 AM PST by blondee123
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To: Nick Danger
It's a miracle that tens of thousands of people weren't killed...

Thank you for your post. I simply don't understand what is going on anymore. I am baffled by those that think the mere act of writing an article pointing out the timidity of our response to date are somehow not supportive of our effort. If we don't even ask for an aggressive effort, is there any chance that we will get it?
9 posted on 11/04/2001 3:18:28 AM PST by self_evident
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To: Nick Danger
I also agree with Nick. Perhaps our leaders thought the Northern Alliance was more fit to fight, and perhaps they thought that the southern tribes would rise in revolt. Whatever. Now it is clear that we are going to have to go it mostly alone and therefore the eagle must be more fully unleashed. One bomber is a joke.
12 posted on 11/04/2001 3:42:42 AM PST by aBootes
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To: Nick Danger
In spite of the poll numbers, Bush will be a one-term president, undone by HIS OWN FAILURE to remove the Clintonites from the executive branch.
13 posted on 11/04/2001 4:25:09 AM PST by bimbo
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To: Nick Danger
So far from what I've seen I'm not impressed with the way this "war" is going. One question I ask is how in h are we going to be able to say we've won in Afganistan? Even if we do stop fighting the country is going to be a sink hole for billions of dollars of aid paid by us and the dump will always be screwed up because the people are.

I do have one hope and that is to fight a smart war. We are only hearing a fraction of what I hope is going on in finding these freakin fanatics. When we do make em talk, bring on the drugs and get everything you can out of them and kill them. Boom. Dead, no more problem from that moron. (side note here. I would not kill bin Laden but rather place him in a small jail in solitary confinement for the rest of his life. No mail or communication in or out). I figure there are people who know how to get these Arabic countries to start fighting each other. Be sneaky, ruthless, and smart.

20 posted on 11/04/2001 10:10:58 PM PST by jwh_Denver
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To: Nick Danger
You're exactly right, and I think your view is gaining currency.
23 posted on 11/05/2001 7:56:17 AM PST by Whilom
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