Gun Control After September 11

FOXNEWS ^ | Friday, November 2, 2001 | Glenn Harlan Reynolds

[Scalia Rules]

"I think all women oughta carry a cell phone and a three-fifty-seven. Loaded." So declares a woman interviewed by The New Republic's Michelle Cottle.

That statement seems to sum up the post-Sept. 11 attitude toward gun control. Things were already tough for the gun-control movement. Convinced that Al Gore's strong anti-gun stance had cost the Democratic Party the 2000 election, the Democratic Leadership Council had already called for a softer line on gun control. Bill Clinton and former White House spokesman Joe Lockhart had pronounced Gore's stance a mistake. Meanwhile, product-liability suits brought against gun manufacturers were failing miserably in courts from New York to California.

[dbbeebs]

Any recommendations about the best hearing protection?

Wear double: ear plugs (properly inserted) AND ear muffs for protection.

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

"I've had it for about 30 years"

I got my hearing messed up due to firing these in Viet Nam. I was a Gunners Mate, GMG 3.

[Scalia Rules]

1) The rejoinder to Hobbes IS game theory. A stateless society, contra Hobbes, is not a zero-sum game, but more of a hawk-dove game, where cooperation in the norm.

2) Robert Wright is a pretentious bore. Like Tom Friedman of the NY Times, he is much smarter than the average journalistic pundit, but at the same time way way overrated. Only a fews hours after the attacks on the morning of Sept. 11, he's up on Slate.com saying "s=See, see, see everybody, this PROVES we don't need National Missile Defense."

[PoorMuttly]

A lot of old soldiers are still alive because what they're telling you is true. They are all the "proof" I need, anyway. We need a platform for the 10mm, the down-loaded version being the now-popular .40 S&W. Then military and police could carry essentially the same sidearm, perhaps the police with the more community-friendly .40 load...until they felt the need to pop in another magazine and, say...penetrate a fleeing truck filled with gasoline bombs...perhaps. Silly me. That would never happen!

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Well I "research and write for a living," too--just not as law professor, but as a commercial and appellate litigator. I think law professors like him have the time to put up a web log like that. He probably teaches two classes a semeser, three at the most. I, on the other hand, have to find the time to bill 2100 hours per year to somebody willing to pay my going rate.

[PoorMuttly]

Re: Post #62

Gee...that would look great on my lawn! If you've got an "extra" one....you're not Santa, are you? Just checking.

[NonZeroSum]

Robert Wright is a pretentious bore. Like Tom Friedman of the NY Times, he is much smarter than the average journalistic pundit, but at the same time way way overrated. Only a fews hours after the attacks on the morning of Sept. 11, he's up on Slate.com saying "s=See, see, see everybody, this PROVES we don't need National Missile Defense."

I don't agree with everything that he writes, and I particularly don't agree with that, but I do like his books, "The Moral Animal," and "Non-Zero: The Logic of Human Destiny." I don't always agree with him, but I rarely find him boring.

[PoorMuttly]

Not that I'm sure it would work, but with his logic...may he be the first one a rocket hits. Then we can ask him if he's changed his mind. I bet he'll have changed it a lot.

[Scalia Rules]

Look, putting all your macho "one shot stopping power" b.s aside, most people are not cops or ex-military, or have the capcity to handle really high caliber firearms.

A solid 9mm, like a Beretta 92FS, Sig, or Ruger P95 is 1) very reliable 2) very accurate 3) has significantly less recoil, and thus easier to handle than a .45. In addition, the higher capacity magazine on a 9mm (which in some of the earlier pre-Klinton ban models you can still get with 15-16 rounds) is another plus, given that criminals often travel in packs.

So to all you ex-Navy Seal and Spec Ops types thumping your chests out there, my hat's off to you. But when it comes to the defensive needs of the average civilian (a topic which, if you claim to be a Second Amendment defender, you should NOT be sneering at) the 9mm in most cases is the tool of choice.

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

"Gee...that would look great on my lawn!"

Like I'd like that in my yard also. Has a range of 9 miles!

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"Not that I'm sure it would work, but with his logic...may he be the first one a rocket hits. Then we can ask him if he's changed his mind. I bet he'll have changed it a lot."

LOL!

Opposition to missile defense is an article of faith for his type. And I've never quite understood the reason for the tenacity in which this opposition is held (other than the fact that the Right favors it). In the abstract, missile defense doesn't seem to be a position that inherently cuts either way, whether you are a hawk or dove. Missile defense is something seems compatible with a program of dramtically reducing offensive nuclear stockpiles.

[soapboxsallie]

It seems that most of the policmen in Dallas are going to the 40 caliber because the 9mm doesn't have the stopping power that they want. It's recoil and report are just about like the 9mm, but the stopping power is better.

[soapboxsallie]

Have you ever used a CZ-52 (7.62X25 ordinance)? Nice weapon, but lots of "report."

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I still here some bad report about the .40 S&W.

By the way, as for "Suck & Weasel," I'll never forgive those bastards for selling out and caving in to that Klinton hack, Andrew Cuomo, when he was at HUD. They are a disgrace.

[longrider]

I shoot 357,9mm,40s&w,45's and 22's. The tightest groups are 22,357 ( revolver ),9mm,45 and then the 40s&w. But I hit my target with them all. My conceal carry is either Glock 23 or springfield V-10. Carry the glock more because of the rds it carrys.

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

"Have you ever used a CZ-52 (7.62X25 ordinance)?"

no, the armory I was in charge of on my destroyer had mainly weapons from early 60's and before.
I was on board '66-'69 .50 cal, .30 cal. .45 etc

[Scalia Rules]

I don't care for Glocks because I don't care for polymer. But that's just me. But it's not like I leave my firearm in the sink every night!

Aside from that, I prefer Beretta to Glock, particulaly for conceal carry purposes, because of Beretta's added layers of safety features. I also have a neurotic prediliction for actually SEEING the hammer!

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[Zon]

The right to self-defense is as constant as gravity and the 2nd law of thermodynamics -- natural law. The natural law of self-defense. Whether acknowledged or not, they have always existed. 

It used to be, before the September 11, terrorist attacks on U.S. soil that the mainstream media was pro gun control. Since that date several authors have written articles about the flip-flop, turning-of-the-tide regarding gun control. Here's some enlightening questions to ponder...

1. Is the media just now learning that the right to self-defense has always been rooted in natural law? If so, then mainstream media people are incompetent and the readers deserve far better. Well Mr. and Mrs. media hot shot, is it that you're incompetent? Or...

2.  Has the media always known that self-defense is natural law? If so, then your intent to deceive your readers, listeners and viewers in regards to gun control is more than enough reason that you be boycotted and/or ostracized. 

Of course, a person would think that the CEO of every media publishing house would investigate whether the employees are incompetent or if their intent was to deceive their customers.

Rather than putting these questions to news reporters, journalists and talking heads, they should be put to their bosses -- the CEOs, board of directors and share-holders.

[rockfish59]

their desperation is showing by them now wanting to sue the 'daisy' bb gun mfg.
the rubber band guns are next!

happiness is a warm .357 snub nosed Ruger tucked in my belt!